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One Love
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Posted 3/17/2009 7:43 AM (GMT -6)

The silent, still sense of presence in us, "Tom." That which continues to exist even in the deepest of delta wave sleeps...and grounds the power of choice.

You do know that you are more than just "Tom", right? :-)

God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them.

"I love, therefore I am in I Am. God is my life."

"God in Christ by His Spirit empowers, enables, energizes and enacts all Christian behavior and ministry as the dynamic expression of the life of Jesus Christ. Christianity is Christ. Christian living is the life and character of Jesus Christ lived out through the Christian." -James Fowler

Post Edited (One Love) : 3/17/2009 7:46:39 AM (GMT-5)

One Love
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Posted 3/17/2009 7:44 AM (GMT -6)

Whole thread.

God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them.

"I love, therefore I am in I Am. God is my life."

Tom
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Posted 3/17/2009 7:47 AM (GMT -6)

So, Billy Graham has a seizure. The deepest 'I' which is the chooser has been a recipient of salvation. Done deal. Nothing can separate us from the love of Christ, not death, not life, not sword, not seizure, blah blah blah. OK. Got it.

Billy Graham has a seizure. All the previous life is gone. He's still the SAME CHOOSER, the recipient of salvation. FINE. But now Billy screws women, produces porno movies, abuses children, and curses God. He does this for 20 years.

At the resurrection. What's God do? Tell me.

T

One Love
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Posted 3/17/2009 7:51 AM (GMT -6)

By God's grace, the ego can be used to transcend the ego. How? The Sword of the Spirit, the Word of God, which ACTUALLY DOES distinguish the spiritual realities from the psychological (like Fowler says), even as it brings both to fulfillment. As we feed on the Word in all ways possible, we empower our egos to live in self-transcendent (rather that self-centered) ways.

Psalms 119, baby.

God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them.

"I love, therefore I am in I Am. God is my life."

Post Edited (One Love) : 3/17/2009 7:57:34 AM (GMT-5)

One Love
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Posted 3/17/2009 7:56 AM (GMT -6)

Tom:
Billy Graham has a seizure. All the previous life is gone. He's still the SAME CHOOSER, the recipient of salvation. FINE. But now Billy screws women, produces porno movies, abuses children, and curses God. He does this for 20 years.

At the resurrection. What's God do? Tell me.

This is what I'm thinking. God resurrects the human mind/brain relational unity in question...and reviews with the created, emergent "choosers" all of the contents of it's earthly existence and it's participation--helpful or harmful--to God's Kingdom...detailing all the truth of the matter, including the malfunction of the brain matter. The fullest accounts of the human chooser's participation in it's "logos" will be available to both God and the chooser. God himself judges all that.

"Every idle word shall be judged."

God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them.

"I love, therefore I am in I Am. God is my life."

One Love
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Posted 3/17/2009 7:59 AM (GMT -6)

Simple, right?

God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them.

"I love, therefore I am in I Am. God is my life."

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Posted 3/17/2009 8:01 AM (GMT -6)

In the end, you have a human hypostasis whose "chooser" chooses only the self that Christ-the-Logos within him desires, "becoming" their individual logos...who has the entire Trinity dwelling perichoretically with the entire human hypostasis. (The Father eternally in Christ-the-Logos, Christ-the-Logos in us via His personal Holy Spirit)

God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them.

"I love, therefore I am in I Am. God is my life."

Post Edited (One Love) : 3/17/2009 8:21:41 AM (GMT-5)

One Love
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Posted 3/17/2009 8:03 AM (GMT -6)

Question to a child of God : Who are you?

Answer: A lover and beloved of God, just like God is.

Image AND likeness.

God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them.

"I love, therefore I am in I Am. God is my life."

Tom
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Posted 3/17/2009 8:03 AM (GMT -6)

Come on.

So the chooser who received salvation goes to hell to suffer for choices made after the seizure?

It doesn't make sense, D. I don't have it all parsed out either, but even if our deepest chooser isn't reducible to any particular persona, neither is it instantiable apart from some persona. The possibilities of choice are always contextually determined. So 20 years of godless, rebellious choices have to be judged. OK. But these are the choices of one and the same chooser who was the recipient of salvation. So the chooser goes to hell for a while? What?

T

Tom
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Posted 3/17/2009 8:07 AM (GMT -6)

D: Question to a child of God : Who are you? Answer: A lover and beloved of God, just like God is.

T: Not complete enough an answer for me, but we've been over all that.

T

One Love
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Posted 3/17/2009 8:08 AM (GMT -6)

What does "post-mortem evangelism" basically hold?

The "chooser" has the chance to evaluate God's take on their lives, and either accept or reject the truth of it all. To the extent that they do, they "burn", to the extent they receive God's truth they "shine."

God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them.

"I love, therefore I am in I Am. God is my life."

One Love
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Posted 3/17/2009 8:11 AM (GMT -6)

D: Question to a child of God : Who are you? Answer: A lover and beloved of God, just like God is.

T: Not complete enough an answer for me, but we've been over all that.

What is eternal life, Tom? Loving knowledge of the Triune God in the power of the Spirit, right? Ok. We are CREATED BEINGS who can do this through God's Grace. God is an UNCREATED BEING who does this by his very nature.

Actually, I need to fix it.

Question to a child of God : Who are you? Answer: An UNCONDITIONAL lover and UNCONDITIONALLY beloved of God, just like God is.

Only the Holy Spirit of God's Son can empower us to love the Father unconditionally and receive his unconditional love for ourselves unconditionally.

Only the Spirit can do that...but we must get FACE DOWN in our hearts before God, continually receiving the Spirit in faith from a position of ABSOLUTE POVERTY AND INSUFFICIENCY.

Only the Spirit knows God...and only the Spirit has the power to love God and God's World unconditionally. For the human "chooser" who is filled with the Spirit at all times, this divine life can be expressed in them, in any situation. (See Jesus on the Cross)

God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them.

"I love, therefore I am in I Am. God is my life."

Post Edited (One Love) : 3/17/2009 8:18:20 AM (GMT-5)

One Love
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Posted 3/17/2009 8:28 AM (GMT -6)

Do not love the world or anything in the world. If you love the world, love for the Father is not in you. For everything in the world—the cravings of sinful people, the lust of their eyes and their boasting about what they have and do—comes not from the Father but from the world. The world and its desires pass away, but whoever does the will of God lives forever.

Only the Eternal Spirit of Jesus (who KNOWS the Father) can free us from the inexorable law of "sin and death" as we, when separated from God, keep pulling ourselves towards the nothingness from whence we came.

God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them.

"I love, therefore I am in I Am. God is my life."

One Love
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Posted 3/17/2009 9:05 AM (GMT -6)

Well?

God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them.

"I love, therefore I am in I Am. God is my life."

One Love
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Posted 3/17/2009 9:11 AM (GMT -6)

God is a righteous judge who will judge all things rightly. We can trust that.

God will take all the experiences of the 30-second-memory-man into consideration in the judgment? Same with Phineas Gage.

The equilibrium or balance, so to speak, between his intellectual faculties and animal propensities, seems to have been destroyed. He is fitful, irreverent, indulging at times in the grossest profanity (which was not previously his custom), manifesting but little deference for his fellows, impatient of restraint or advice when it conflicts with his desires, at times pertinaciously obstinate, yet capricious and vacillating, devising many plans of future operations, which are no sooner arranged than they are abandoned in turn for others appearing more feasible. A child in his intellectual capacity and manifestations, he has the animal passions of a strong man. Previous to his injury, although untrained in the schools, he possessed a well-balanced mind, and was looked upon by those who knew him as a shrewd, smart businessman, very energetic and persistent in executing all his plans of operation. In this regard his mind was radically changed, so decidedly that his friends and acquaintances said he was "no longer Gage."

God is a GOOD God, not an moralizing nitpicker. He'll judge this rightly.

God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them.

"I love, therefore I am in I Am. God is my life."

Post Edited (One Love) : 3/17/2009 9:14:54 AM (GMT-5)

Tom
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Posted 3/17/2009 9:33 AM (GMT -6)

God's righteous. And there's the Cross. That's about all we got. Modern psychology doesn't really tell us that much.

T

One Love
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Posted 3/17/2009 12:25 PM (GMT -6)

Oh, and something I just thought of. Kinda random. Some people who care may think I'm so pantheistic that I think I'm God personally...or, more likely, that I am the Eternal Son personally...or something like that. (Right, Tom?) Here is a statement that may help that concern.

Ahem...

Unlike Christ-the-Logos, 'I' have no-thingness as a grounding aspect of my emergent self's personal being.

The Creator/Created distinction between "me" and Christ-the-Logos, the Only Begotten Eternal Son.

Only a created intelligence can authentically believe this. Yes, we are grounded in eternal logoi, but at the same time, our emergent souls (along with all Creation itself) is radically contingent on God's will for existence. Without that Will, Creation...WE...wouldn't exist...period..

The Eternal Son (who is the person of God the Son) would not say this. God is the total ground of His personal being, not nothingness. The Eternal Son is not a created being, but Incarnate God. God doesn't have nothingness as a ground of his being. God was the SOLE reason for the Incarnate Word's human existence, not some emergent soul produced as a natural consequence of male/female copulation like "I" was.

Is this clear?

God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them.

"I love, therefore I am in I Am. God is my life."

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