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markporter
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| Posted 3/30/2009 6:25 AM (GMT -6) |   | Tom: Well, the only thing I’m actually ‘conscious’ of is the resultant meaning
Mark: OK, but here we come full circle again - I can't *feel* this meaning, I can't *see* it, I can't *imagine* it, there's nothing in my consciousness which I can latch onto and say "look, meaning" | | Back to Top | | |
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Tom
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| Posted 3/30/2009 7:08 AM (GMT -6) | | You definitely feel it. If I say "apple pie" you feel one thing If I say "a bucket of crap" you feel another. If I say "God is love" (very abstract, right?) you feel one thing. If I say "child abuse" you feel another. It's not physical sensation (feeling). It's psychological. The meaning and associated feelings are 'perceived' and can (if the history is right) even be experienced all over again (fear, trauma, etc.). Or if I say "Come on Mark, you're not being honest here. Stop being disingenuous," you feel one thing. If I say, "I can really appreciate the struggle you're having with this issue," you feel another. I'm not sure there is any meaning apart from feeling. And push come to shove, I might say the truest and most primary form of meaning IS feeling.
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markporter
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| Posted 3/30/2009 3:44 PM (GMT -6) | | Tom: Come on Mark, you're not being honest here. Stop being disingenuous
Mark: I'd have to agree with you to some extent, because there is a degree to which I know these things must be all the things I'm denying they are, but it's one of those things that I'm trying to get a handle on.
Tom: If I say, "I can really appreciate the struggle you're having with this issue,"
Mark: I'd also have to agree, because I think you'd probably agree with some of the issues at stake here - we can't pinpoint these feelings in the same way we can others, in fact they're *really* hard to put a finger on. You might also agree that there's something weird having a thought that means "water" without anything particularly watery going around anywhere in your imagination or sensations. | | Back to Top | | |
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Tom
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| Posted 3/30/2009 4:28 PM (GMT -6) | | Hey Mark, when I said "If I say, 'Come on Mark, you're not being honest here. Stop being disingenuous'," you know I didn't meant that. I was just trying to drum up something on the mean end to hold beside something on the nice end.
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markporter
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| Posted 3/30/2009 5:09 PM (GMT -6) | | | Heh, of course I know you didn't exactly mean the things, but I thought each had a faint whiff of something about them that could be injected back into the conversation | | Back to Top | | |
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Tom
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| Posted 3/31/2009 12:48 AM (GMT -6) | | Mark: I thought each had a faint whiff of something about them that...
Tom: Ha! See? You're feeling the meanings. | | Back to Top | | |
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Similitude
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| Posted 3/31/2009 6:23 AM (GMT -6) | | | And even if our distinctions are so vague as to merely "know" that a described sense/emotion is pleasurable or painful, or that aesthetic beauty is different than sympathetic pleasure, or hearing is different than seeing, or loud is different than soft, these distinctions can work for the intended meaning even at that vague of a level. We don't have to have a REAL and INTENSE sensory/emotional experience to get meaning from language about sensory/emotional experience.
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