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One Love
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| Posted 4/6/2009 1:34 PM (GMT -6) |   | Cyril:
"That God dwelt in Emmanuel in a different way than he dwells in us."
I don't disagree with this. I'm just saying that God dwelt in Emmanuel in a SIMILAR way that he has the potential dwells in us because Emmanuel is homoousias with us. God dwelt in Jesus' being via the Holy Spirit. God dwelts within believers' being via the Holy Spirit.
Yes, there is difference, but also similiarity. That's how we are saved, dawg.
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| Posted 4/6/2009 1:35 PM (GMT -6) | |
Tom said...
Hey D, if you can pull up pages 312 and 313 in McGuckin's book, it's a portion of Cyril's Scholia on the Incarnation. Point #18 Cyril entitles:
"That God dwelt in Emmanuel in a different way than he dwells in us."
The point is not just that the SAME THING that happens naturally in Christ happens in us BY GRACE. The point is that SOMETHING DIFFERENT is happening. If we become non-divine persons, that's a someTHING different.
T
Yep. That's why I said "economy." Cyril's word.
The exchange of attributes through the comingling in Christ is not what happens to us. We can though, THROUGH CHRIST become partakers of divine glory.
Good, Tom.
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| Posted 4/6/2009 1:36 PM (GMT -6) | | So as not to be misunderstood:
I don't want to say EVERYTHING (the what, the how, the why, the wherefore) is different in us than it was in Christ. I'm just emphasizing that the uniqueness of the incarnation requires some uniqueness in all these areas (what, how, why, etc.). There are similarities of course.
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| Posted 4/6/2009 1:37 PM (GMT -6) | |
One Love said...Cyril: "That God dwelt in Emmanuel in a different way than he dwells in us."
I don't disagree with this. I'm just saying that God dwelt in Emmanuel in a SIMILAR way that he has the potential dwells in us because Emmanuel is homoousias with us. God dwelt in Jesus' being via the Holy Spirit. God dwelts within believers' being via the Holy Spirit.
Yes, there is difference, but also similiarity. That's how we are saved, dawg.
He could be the first fruits.
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Tom
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| Posted 4/6/2009 1:38 PM (GMT -6) | | POW: The exchange of attributes through the comingling in Christ is not what happens to us.
Tom: Exactly.
Where have you guys been for two years?
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One Love
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| Posted 4/6/2009 1:39 PM (GMT -6) | | Bruce:
The exchange of attributes through the comingling in Christ is not what happens to us. We can though, THROUGH CHRIST become partakers of divine glory.
Again, not disagreeing. The Spiritual Presence of Christ is totally the key here...and that Presence is by the Holy Spirit of God.
Kallistos Ware...
Just as the Spirit sends the Son at the Annunciation, the Baptism, and the Transfiguration, and just as the Son in his turn sends the Spirit at Pentecost, so after Pentecost it is the Spirit's task to bear witness to Christ, rendering the risen Lord ever present among us. If the aim of the Incarnation is the sending of the Spirit at Pentecost, [then] the aim of Pentecost is the continuing of Christ's Incarnation within the life of the Church. This is precisely what the Spirit does at the epiclesis in the Eucharistic consecration; and this consecratory epiclesis serves as a model and paradigm for what is happening throughout our whole life in Christ.
"Where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them" (Matt 18:20). How is Christ present in our midst? Through the Holy Spirit. "Lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the world" (Matt 28:20) How is Christ always with us? Through the Holy Spirit. Because of the Comforter's presence in our heart, we do not simply know Christ at fourth of fifth hand, as a distant figure from long ago, about whom we possess factual information through written records; but we know him directly, here and now, in the present, as our personal savior and our friend. With the Apostle Thomas, we can affirm "My Lord and my God" (John 20:28). We do not merely say "Christ was born"--once, very long ago; we say "Christ is born"--now, at this moment, in my own heart. We do not say merely "Christ died" but "Christ died for me". We do not say merely "Christ rose" but "Christ is risen"--he lives now, for me and in me. This immediacy and personal directness in our relationship with Jesus is precisely the work of the Spirit."
God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them.
"I love, therefore I am in I Am. God is my life."
"God in Christ by His Spirit empowers, enables, energizes and enacts all Christian behavior and ministry as the dynamic expression of the life of Jesus Christ. Christianity is Christ. Christian living is the life and character of Jesus Christ lived out through the Christian." -James Fowler Post Edited (One Love) : 4/6/2009 1:45:50 PM (GMT-5) | | Back to Top | | |
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| Posted 4/6/2009 1:40 PM (GMT -6) | | "In bringing MANY SONS to glory, it was...."
Bring in the band. Let the music start.
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| Posted 4/6/2009 1:40 PM (GMT -6) | | D: The Spiritual Presence of Christ is totally the key here...and that Presence is by the Holy Spirit of God.
Tom: That's the ONLY way, baby. The ONLY way.
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One Love
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| Posted 4/6/2009 1:43 PM (GMT -6) | | Bruce:
He could be the first fruits.
Firstfruits AND Archetype. Yep.
God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them.
"I love, therefore I am in I Am. God is my life."
"God in Christ by His Spirit empowers, enables, energizes and enacts all Christian behavior and ministry as the dynamic expression of the life of Jesus Christ. Christianity is Christ. Christian living is the life and character of Jesus Christ lived out through the Christian." -James Fowler | | Back to Top | | |
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One Love
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| Posted 4/6/2009 1:44 PM (GMT -6) | | Tom:
"In bringing MANY SONS to glory, it was...."
Bring in the band. Let the music start.
Your turn to pick some music... 
God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them.
"I love, therefore I am in I Am. God is my life."
"God in Christ by His Spirit empowers, enables, energizes and enacts all Christian behavior and ministry as the dynamic expression of the life of Jesus Christ. Christianity is Christ. Christian living is the life and character of Jesus Christ lived out through the Christian." -James Fowler | | Back to Top | | |
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| Posted 4/6/2009 1:44 PM (GMT -6) | | An archtypical fruit?
What has theology come to? ;o7
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One Love
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| Posted 4/6/2009 1:46 PM (GMT -6) | | 
God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them.
"I love, therefore I am in I Am. God is my life."
"God in Christ by His Spirit empowers, enables, energizes and enacts all Christian behavior and ministry as the dynamic expression of the life of Jesus Christ. Christianity is Christ. Christian living is the life and character of Jesus Christ lived out through the Christian." -James Fowler | | Back to Top | | |
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One Love
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| Posted 4/6/2009 1:47 PM (GMT -6) | | So, Tom...what's next? We seem to running good consensus here...
God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them.
"I love, therefore I am in I Am. God is my life."
"God in Christ by His Spirit empowers, enables, energizes and enacts all Christian behavior and ministry as the dynamic expression of the life of Jesus Christ. Christianity is Christ. Christian living is the life and character of Jesus Christ lived out through the Christian." -James Fowler | | Back to Top | | |
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One Love
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| Posted 4/6/2009 1:48 PM (GMT -6) | | Tom:
I don't want to say EVERYTHING (the what, the how, the why, the wherefore) is different in us than it was in Christ. I'm just emphasizing that the uniqueness of the incarnation requires some uniqueness in all these areas (what, how, why, etc.). There are similarities of course.
The similarities are what make theosis (for US) possible.
God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them.
"I love, therefore I am in I Am. God is my life."
"God in Christ by His Spirit empowers, enables, energizes and enacts all Christian behavior and ministry as the dynamic expression of the life of Jesus Christ. Christianity is Christ. Christian living is the life and character of Jesus Christ lived out through the Christian." -James Fowler | | Back to Top | | |
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One Love
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| Posted 4/6/2009 1:51 PM (GMT -6) | | Bruce:
My son's going to go to Bethel in the fall.
Is there something I can do to help the transition? If so, just let me know...
God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them.
"I love, therefore I am in I Am. God is my life."
"God in Christ by His Spirit empowers, enables, energizes and enacts all Christian behavior and ministry as the dynamic expression of the life of Jesus Christ. Christianity is Christ. Christian living is the life and character of Jesus Christ lived out through the Christian." -James Fowler | | Back to Top | | |
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Tom
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| Posted 4/6/2009 1:52 PM (GMT -6) | | D: The similarities are what make theosis (for US) possible.
Tom: Well, yeah. But without the dissimilarities there would be no us to be perfected in personal terms either.
BOTH/AND
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One Love
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| Posted 4/6/2009 1:52 PM (GMT -6) | | Tom:
Marvin Gaye's "God is Love." Yo!
Magic, my man. Straight magic! 
::: groovin' :::
God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them.
"I love, therefore I am in I Am. God is my life."
"God in Christ by His Spirit empowers, enables, energizes and enacts all Christian behavior and ministry as the dynamic expression of the life of Jesus Christ. Christianity is Christ. Christian living is the life and character of Jesus Christ lived out through the Christian." -James Fowler | | Back to Top | | |
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One Love
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| Posted 4/6/2009 1:53 PM (GMT -6) | | Tom:
BOTH/AND
Absolutely.
God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them.
"I love, therefore I am in I Am. God is my life."
"God in Christ by His Spirit empowers, enables, energizes and enacts all Christian behavior and ministry as the dynamic expression of the life of Jesus Christ. Christianity is Christ. Christian living is the life and character of Jesus Christ lived out through the Christian." -James Fowler | | Back to Top | | |
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Tom
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One Love
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| Posted 4/6/2009 1:56 PM (GMT -6) | | | Had to do it...
So happy...so happy...so happy...
God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them.
"I love, therefore I am in I Am. God is my life."
"God in Christ by His Spirit empowers, enables, energizes and enacts all Christian behavior and ministry as the dynamic expression of the life of Jesus Christ. Christianity is Christ. Christian living is the life and character of Jesus Christ lived out through the Christian." -James Fowler | | Back to Top | | |
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