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Tom
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   Posted 2/15/2010 11:13 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

Rev. 5.11-13

 

11As I looked, I heard the voices of many angels around the throne and the voices of the living creatures and of the elders. There were millions and millions of them, 12and they were saying in a loud voice, “The Lamb who was killed is worthy to receive power, riches, wisdom, strength, honor, glory, and praise.” 13Then I heard every creature in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and in the sea offer praise. Together, all of them were saying, “Praise, honor, glory, and strength forever and ever to the one who sits on the throne and to the Lamb!”

 

Being a universalist means seeing what John saw. That’s all. It’s a vision of all creation restored and worshipping. John saw it. But to see it this way is to believe it’s possible. I don’t know how many hundreds of times I’ve read right past this passage without seeing it.

 

How do those of you who believe evil will forever persist in hell where the majority of all human beings forever curse God interpret this v. 13? How do you avoid the conclusion that you are simply denying John’s vision?

 

Bible girl, where are you?

 

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PotOnWheel
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   Posted 2/16/2010 7:29 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Tom said...

Rev. 5.11-13 11Then I heard every creature in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and in the sea offer praise. Together, all of them were saying“

 

Being a universalist means ...................

 
What do YOU meana by 'universalism.' What I asume you mean I don't find there. Bended knee and confessing that Jesus is lord does not imply necessarily wanting to.
 
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Tom
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   Posted 2/16/2010 8:13 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
POW: What I assume you mean I don't find there. Bended knee and confessing that Jesus is lord does not imply necessarily wanting to.

Tom: This is Rev. 5, not Phil 2. Forget Phil. 2 for now, OK? Here in Rev. 5 "every creature" that exists "offers praise" and "together say 'Praise, honor, glory, and strength forever and ever to the one who sits on the throne and to the Lamb'."

You can't reduce THIS to a forced confession by the wicked as Christ steps on their necks. This is different. This is worship. "Every creature" in v. 13 is joining all the angels in v. 12 who offer the same praise (and there's no doubt THERE that they "want" to say what they say), and then in v. 14 the four beasts respond to what "every creature" shouts by saying, "Amen!" and then repeat the praise (and there's no doubt here that they "want" to say what they say).

This is all "wanting to." It's all one vision of sublime, universal heat-felt praise and worship to God.

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thanks, tom


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   Posted 2/16/2010 6:45 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Tom: This is all "wanting to." It's all one vision of sublime, universal heat-felt praise and worship to God.


Great! Fabulous! Praise to God right now!
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