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Tom
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Posted 5/25/2010 8:55 AM (GMT -6)

It's interesting that one can find Catholic open theists (ordained clergy, not just lay folk) but no Eastern Orthodox who are open theists. Given that the ecumenical creeds embraced by the Orthodox are also embraced by Catholics, and given the same "basic" function of tradition within both, what is it about Catholicism that makes it possible for their clergy to be open theists while (I'm guessing) there's no way in Hades an Orthodox priest would ever embrace the view?

Interesting.

Tom

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Posted 5/25/2010 6:47 PM (GMT -6)

Accept my prejudice for the sake of a foundation for asking a question. OK?

Q: what in rc has something missing or out of place; or, EO has what assumed?

OR... how might the Q better be asked?

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Tom
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Posted 5/25/2010 8:09 PM (GMT -6)

Not following ya B. I suppose your question IS my question. What's the difference between the two that might account for a much broader diversity of views in RC than in EO?

Tom

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Asher
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Posted 5/25/2010 8:48 PM (GMT -6)

I think what B is saying, Tom, is that there is a flaw in the Roman Catholic system of thought that allows them to embrace open theism...whereas, with no flaw, the Orthodox see through the flim-flammery of open theism.

If I misunderstood you B, I apologize.

Tom
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Posted 5/25/2010 10:17 PM (GMT -6)

Ah, I see. Well, Bruce, could you locate the RC flaws for me?

Tom

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PotOnWheel
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Posted 5/26/2010 7:29 AM (GMT -6)

Also, rc has the concept of 'doctrinal development' which allowa for papal infalability declaration.

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Tom
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Posted 5/26/2010 8:35 AM (GMT -6)

But the EO has the consensus of (living) fathers. Tradition, in the EO, is an ongoing, growing, living thing too. Were the vast majority of living fathers were to convene in agreement on some dogma, it would be so. So the EO essentially can "develop"--heck, it HAS developed. They just don't do it LIKE the RC.

There's something else...something I can't put my finger on...which explains the difference. Don't know. Maybe you're right. Maybe the RC having papal infallibility and the EO not having that is what explains it. I don't know.

Tom

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PotOnWheel
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Posted 5/28/2010 12:55 PM (GMT -6)

Tom, it took me a while to grasp the implications of your remark about pap-inpal...

But, i think you are right. P-i and doctrinal development are cut from the same cloth.

But I'll argue that EO does not work baackward. I agree with their self-statement that from Basel to Palamas the core has been the same.

And

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