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|  PotOnWheel Registered Member

Date Joined Jul 2001 Total Posts : 9890 | Posted 4/6/2004 6:44 AM (GMT -6) |   | | | |
 |  PotOnWheel Registered Member

Date Joined Jul 2001 Total Posts : 9890 | Posted 4/6/2004 6:55 AM (GMT -6) |   | quote: Originally posted by PotOnWheel
The Theories: The Meaning of Christ's Death www.time.com/time/covers/1101040412/box1.html
Time, on their website, has a pole where one can register their answer to the question of what Christ's death did. Here's the list of three:
How do you interpret the Crucifixion? () Christ's death is a sign of empathy for human suffering () Christ's death was necessary to cleanse humanity's sins () The real focus should be Christ's love and compassion, not his death
While I think there are lots of popular answers there, I'm not sure that I would click on any of them. Concerning the second one, on a Calvist site a few of us stood the ground against Anselm's Satisfation Theory. Of the first one, the Good-Example notion just doesn't save. Nothing wrong; but its not the wholw story. And the third, while true, also just gives us good ideas.
Without the Cross and the Grave, and without the Spirit's power to make us participate in them, we don't have the power to live right. And even to the extent we do, we can't repair the infection of sin, the fragmentation.
Baptism is a very, very, very good answer to TIME MAGAZINE's question. WHY Christ died is so that you and I can be buried with Christ and be raised with him. | | Back to Top | | |
 |  feelinahole Registered Member
 Date Joined Jan 2004 Total Posts : 754 | Posted 4/6/2004 7:21 AM (GMT -6) |   | Well, at least we know Jesus DID DIED FOR SOMETHING now that Tim magazine has proclaimed it! | | Back to Top | | |
 |  PotOnWheel Registered Member

Date Joined Jul 2001 Total Posts : 9890 | Posted 4/6/2004 7:46 AM (GMT -6) |   | The main TIME article says:
quote: That is, not who (on earth) killed him or even exactly how much he suffered. But what was the cosmic reason for his agony? What is its purpose, its divine calculus? How precisely does his death, usually referred to in this context as the atonement, lead to the salvation of humanity? The atonement "is the centerpiece of Christianity, and it's what distinguishes it from all other religions," says Giles Gasper, a religious historian who has written a book about one of the topic's great medieval interpreters. Without at least an intuitive comprehension of atonement, a believer stands little chance of making sense of the faith's promises of redemption and eternal life.
Yet, oddly enough, in many churches the issue of why Christ died is inert, if ever-present...
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For roughly a thousand years, the church fathers seem to have viewed Christ's suffering and dying less as salvation's all-important tragic fulcrum than as one more necessary step in God's triumphant campaign into the human world and, eventually, the devil's precincts. They saw the incarnation and the Resurrection as far more important to reconciliation and a new start for humanity. In fact, a position close to this is still maintained by the world's 250 million Eastern Orthodox Christian believers, rendering them less susceptible than most to extended images of Christ's agony of the sort Gibson presents. Says Frederica Mathewes-Green, who has written several books on Orthodoxy: "It's like a fire fighter who goes into a building and comes back out covered with wounds and scars but carrying in his arms a baby he was able to grab from the crib. The victory is that he did snatch eternal life out of sin and death. And that's what Orthodox Christians focus on."
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 |  PotOnWheel Registered Member

Date Joined Jul 2001 Total Posts : 9890 | Posted 4/6/2004 7:50 AM (GMT -6) |   | Also from the main article:
quote: [size=2]"The Cross is at the center of Christianity, and we know that it was at the center of Jesus' own thinking," says John Stott, an Anglican preacher and the author of The Cross of Christ, who suffered a stroke last year. "I could never myself believe in God if it were not for the Cross." He is almost pleading. "In the real world of pain, how could one worship a God who was immune to it?" [/size=2]
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 |  PotOnWheel Registered Member

Date Joined Jul 2001 Total Posts : 9890 | Posted 4/6/2004 7:52 AM (GMT -6) |   | Also from the main article:
quote: "The Cross is at the center of Christianity, and we know that it was at the center of Jesus' own thinking," says John Stott, an Anglican preacher and the author of The Cross of Christ, who suffered a stroke last year. "I could never myself believe in God if it were not for the Cross." He is almost pleading. "In the real world of pain, how could one worship a God who was immune to it?"
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