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|  Tom Registered Member

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Date Joined Jun 2001 Total Posts : 2763 | Posted 2/28/2011 9:54 PM (GMT -6) |   | | Kindle edition! Sweet!
Also this: http://vimeo.com/20272585
Here's what an old prof from Christ for the Nations on facebook says:
Rob Bell has a unique gift for "undermining the absolutes of scripture" by presenting questions that make his heresy plausible. Listen for yourself. Before he is through, you will find yourself questioning whether truth is even knowable.ahhhhh..noooooow that is really what he is trying to do. Truth isn't definable,knowable or transferable...unless you buy his CD's and his books.
This is why I don't "fit" with this evangelical crowd anymore. I can just imagine the reception I would have at a reunion at CFNI which is why I don't ever plan to go to one.
OK...this is my old prof's blog:
http://antagoniz.wordpress.com/2011/02/26/the-wider-mercy-doctrine/
Funny, how he hasn't even read the book but feels compelled to call him a heretic because of everything else he has read (about?) of Rob Bell. Wow.
Brandon
It is the purpose that makes strong the vow, but vows to every purpose must not hold.--A friend.
To love without love is slavery--Mother Teresa
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Date Joined Jun 2001 Total Posts : 2763 | Posted 3/2/2011 3:05 AM (GMT -6) |   | | | |
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Date Joined Jun 2001 Total Posts : 2763 | Posted 3/2/2011 1:27 PM (GMT -6) |   | Unless of course the rapture takes place before then. 
Brandon
It is the purpose that makes strong the vow, but vows to every purpose must not hold.--A friend.
To love without love is slavery--Mother Teresa
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   |  Daniel M Registered Member
 Date Joined Jan 2009 Total Posts : 263 | Posted 3/2/2011 8:54 PM (GMT -6) |   | One Love : How long 'til Greg comes out...now that Rob Bell's done this?
I'm not sure if Greg consider's his argument against baby universalism applicable to universalism in general. Since he's obviously against baby universalism and its consequences. | | Back to Top | | |
   |  One Love Registered Member

Date Joined Jan 2003 Total Posts : 13888 | Posted 3/3/2011 12:34 PM (GMT -6) |   | Psssst! Lemme whisper a secret...
Irrevocable solidification into evil is not metaphysically possible via Greg's worldview...not even for Satan. So the probability of annihilationism on that score is virtually nil.
Shhh! Don't tell nobody, though.
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  |  Tom Registered Member

Date Joined Jul 2001 Total Posts : 10353 | Posted 3/3/2011 8:07 PM (GMT -6) |   | Kevin DeYoung writes: "What would be so good about the good news if in the end there is no bad news?"
Makes you just wanna cry doesn't it?
How could the gospel have gotten so warped as to require the eternal existence of that it came to save and remedy--lost souls?
I wonder if Keven would also (consistent with his logic) complain: "What is so beautiful about God if there is no evil in existence?"
Tom
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Date Joined Jun 2001 Total Posts : 2763 | Posted 3/6/2011 11:41 PM (GMT -6) |   | | When my former prof isn't arguing cogently he resorts to this kind of talk (from his facebook page referencing Molher): Alriiiiiiight! One of the GREAT Theolgians of our day weighns in on Rob Bell's STRIP TEASE with the HERESY of universalim.
In other words, he connects truth with particular theologian ie., Molher, Piper, et al, are the GREAT theologians of our day, because he agrees with their theology and ideology, while Boyd, Pinnock, Talbott, etc, are to be taken less seriously because they disagree with his theology and ideology. Often he rattles off credentials of theologians he agrees with as if we are suppose to be impressed by them while those on the other side don't get the same level of recognition. Clearly a bias going on.
When I was at Christ for the Nations, I taped his Corinthian Letters class. I actually thought it was good as he seemed to allow for open discussion, but then again, it wasn't systematic theology. Anyhoo, I've lost almost all respect for him. I thought he would rise above the level of condescension. But he hasn't. He continues on with his gibberish. Ugh...Give me your love Lord!
Brandon
It is the purpose that makes strong the vow, but vows to every purpose must not hold.--A friend.
To love without love is slavery--Mother Teresa
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Date Joined Jun 2001 Total Posts : 2763 | Posted 3/7/2011 9:28 AM (GMT -6) |   | EXACTLY! I was thinking that same thing the other day when I told my former prof, that he didn't like Rob Bell OR his theology. Strange how in almost all these cases no one actually talks to Bell. Now, I'm sure Rob is a busy man and can't respond to every email I'm sure he gets but most really don't WANT to talk him. They've checked out and are not interested as my prof said, "LOOOOONG AGO." Oh, and by the way, everyone here at the boards, according to my former prof is a heretic as well. Told me last night. Well actually he told me I'm goofy too. LOL! Gotta love the flamboyant language.
Brandon
It is the purpose that makes strong the vow, but vows to every purpose must not hold.--A friend.
To love without love is slavery--Mother Teresa
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 |  One Love Registered Member

Date Joined Jan 2003 Total Posts : 13888 | Posted 3/7/2011 9:50 AM (GMT -6) |   | Brandon, say the following to your former prof and have some fun.
Say...
"Are heretics to be considered 'enemies' of the Church?"
He may say...
"Well, yeah. In a way."
Then say...
"What did Jesus tell us to do to our enemies?"
Note his face at that point. Keep going...
"How do we obey Jesus with respect to heretics as enemies of the Church?"
And the ensuing conversation should be interesting.
Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner. Post Edited (One Love) : 3/7/2011 8:53:36 AM (GMT-6) | | Back to Top | | |
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Date Joined Jun 2001 Total Posts : 2763 | Posted 3/7/2011 12:06 PM (GMT -6) |   | | Pastor Stirs Wrath With His Views on Old Questions
I can tell you, what he would say D. That it is out of love that he has to "antagoniz." He said this to me yesterday:
Here ya gooo Brandon, little "it is written" documentation. Post this on the Open Theism board. Tell em all what ur former prof is up to by giving em this verse in Jude: 23 Rescue others by snatching them from the flames of judgment. Show... mercy to still others, but do so with great caution, hating the sins that contaminate their lives. Is that applicable or what! I love to hate what God loves to hate! Daaaaa...winnnning! hahahahahaha
I'm not really all the willing to go into theological debate on his fb page for a couple of reasons but my "little, 'it is written' documentation has to do with the fact that I asked him about his reading the book first before making any judgments. He then wants to go off on rabbit trails about inerrancy and infallibility. Here is what was said:
RGH: Rob Bell has a unique gift for "undermining the absolutes of scripture" by presenting questions that make his heresy plausible. Listen for yourself. Before he is through, you will find yourself questioning whether truth is even knowable.ahhhhh..noooooow that is really what he is trying to do. Truth isn't definable,knowable or transfe...rable...unless you buy his CD's and his books. Me: I see you have clearly read his book before its even out. Way to do scholarly work. LOL!
RGH: Brandon. guess you skipped reading my post to simply make an off the cuff goofy statement. Here is what i said: The Verdict for many of us concerning Rob bell came in a loooooooog time ago. Lets see, that means until hepublicly repents for... his hersy,confesses that scripture is in fact "Gods very words, personally "OWNS" THE GOSPEL of Christs exclusivity and declaresl that all must confess personal saving faith in him solely as the one and only way torelationship with God, he ever remains a heretic..who is "Rejected". [pay close attention and you may recognize some of those terms and phrases as being biblical] By the way, I haven't read the morman bible or the Koran. There is a Kingdom principle that guides my life:" Whoever doesn't abide in the doctrine of Christ,does not have God. If there comes "anyone" who doesn't have [the historic-Apostolic]doctrine of Christ,receieve them not into your house, neither bid him God speed...If you do,you will be a partaker of his deeds. 2 John 9-10.So, I trust the schoalrs who have audited bells doctrine just like i trust those who have audited the Koran,Islam, buddhism and Bell!. ephesians 4 decalres it is their job to navigate the church thru the deceptive winds of heretical teachings. but then, that is the inerrant,infallible, absolute "word of God" which you personally reject right?
Me: Richard, why is it a goofy statement to ask if you have read the book first? Professional scholarship doesn't rely on the blogsphere but usually goes to the primary sources. That's goofy??? So what you have in effect done is judge what Rob Bell says about this particular issue based on everything else you don't like about him or his theology. I'm not saying I would necessarily agree with Bell, but from my understanding there ares evangelical views of universalism that are not as you portray--without acknowledgment of Christ. Again, I don't know what Bell would say, I usually wait till I've read the material for myself. That's not too much to ask is it?
RGH: thanks Brandon, how scholarly of you to address the scripture and my question as to it being Gods absolute inerrant word so you deflect it and speak about my scholarship. Your thoughts,ideas,perspective and opinion is most irrelevant until you take a stand and address the issue. Read THE BOOK before you read Bells book.One saves,the other leads to hell. good counsel eh?
Me: I just asked a simple question and you found it fit to respond simply by asking about other issues such as inerrancy and infallibility none of which has to do with my specfic question. So you respond by saying, "I've already made up my mind" which is fine, but it still really doesn't address my specfic question, "Why comment on this if you haven't even read the book?" One should still go to the primary source. So I asked a specfic question, I'm expecting a specfic response. Can you do that?
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So do you see why it is very difficult arguing with my former prof? It's like:
RGH: Rob Bell says we can't know truth, etc. He's a heretic.
Brandon: Did you read the book?
RGH: Let's not skirt what the real issue is: inerrancy and infallibility. Your goofy.
Brandon: I'm just asking a simple basic question and you want to talk about other issues.
RGH: We made up our minds looong ago. Now about inerrancy and infallibility.
Brandon: But I didn't make mention of those questions. I know they are important but I'm asking if you read the book first before going off on it!
RGH: I've made up my mind about Rob Bell. And the video explains it all. So again, about inerrancy and infallibility.
Me: I'm just asking if maybe you should read the book as a primary source before anything else. Is that too much to ask?
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As we know from Greg's and Galli's piece, the book isn't about universalism per se. Yet, I still would go to it first! So I question my former prof's sincerety concerning his research and he wants to go on bunny run. He really should listen to Galli on this. Because this is his tactic. It's like theological ADD. Ugh...very frustrating.
Brandon
It is the purpose that makes strong the vow, but vows to every purpose must not hold.--A friend.
To love without love is slavery--Mother Teresa
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