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Tom
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   Posted 10/21/2011 2:27 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Fascinating interview.
 
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"The aesthetic value the world has for God is in expressing, not constituting, the aesthetic value God eternally finds within Godself." Greg Boyd

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Similitude
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   Posted 10/22/2011 1:38 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
That was quite interesting. What I think makes God utterly philosophical is the fact that IF the problem of evil is insoluble (not just to humans, but absolutely logically impossible to solve), then reason is arbitrary and is no more "valid" than blind faith or false memories or illusion. Because once we eliminate satisfaction as the fundamental criteria of induction (and this is what an absolutely insoluble problem of evil implies), we have nothing left but an infinite set of MERELY logical possibilities to choose from. But we would have no non-arbitrary HUMAN criteria by which to evaluate beliefs normatively.

In short, the human mind needs, as a fundamental ground of normative evaluation (either of beliefs or actions), a categorical synthetic relation that can relate sentience to truth. Only design fills that bill, as far as I can tell. I.e., the correspondence theory of truth just IS the belief that our natural modes of thought are fitted to correspond to an extra-ego reality that we are designed to infer because we would be miserable trying to volitionally deny it on a continual basis. It is our belief that the most fundamental class of ends are those of our own satisfaction that actually explains why we normatively evaluate beliefs at all.

Harthshorne says something very much like this in his own way. But it is undeniable once you analyze it all down. If we didn't believe that our own satisfaction is just DESIGNED to be, we would have no way to normatively evaluate beliefs, much less other kinds of actions.


 

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One Love
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   Posted 10/23/2011 9:59 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Looooooooooved this! Thanks, Tom.

I'm hooked, too! ;-)


Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.

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   Posted 10/27/2011 11:49 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I linked it on my facebook page after I saw it on yours Tom. Really great convo. Nothing like the Dawkins et al, polemics.


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Since love grows within you, so beauty grows. For love is the beauty of the soul.--Saint Augustine

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