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BBBCanada
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Starkman
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| Posted 12/24/2011 12:05 AM (GMT -6) | | BBBCanada said...Seriously, can we honestly say they are outside of "the fold" when hearing this? This is pretty much straight up solid Gaaaaspel. www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NN0boC4y_s&feature=youtube_gdata_playerB, This is nothing more than typical double-talk that comes out of the mouths of false prophets. What the Mormons mean here isn't even close to what the gospel is all about . I'm not going to go into it because it's old hat (and well documented by others). Suffice to say, that what this guy is saying is that only the Mormon church is the true church and no one outside of it gets in (and that means you do things there way, which isn't the way of the Bible). By "gospel," the speaker doesn't mean what you and I mean by the word. I mean, it goes on and on, and it's far, far from the truth of the real gospel. It's double-talk: say what sounds like one thing but mean something completely different (when pinned down, of course, to be specific). Are there people in the Mormon church who honestly want to know the true God of heaven and earth? Of course. Thus are there those in the Mormon church whom Jesus will save? I would suppose so. But let's never mistake false prophets and false doctrine for the real McCoy. Thanks, Starkman | | Back to Top | | |
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BBBCanada
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| Posted 12/25/2011 1:24 PM (GMT -6) | | | I agree that there are some major differences between evangelicals and Mormons. But I would:
A. Agree with Richard Mouw that there are many similarities.
B. From a HISTORICAL point of view, I think of it like this. Say you have a circle of either religious or political peoples. There are those who, in the center represent a solid difference between themselves and those on the outside of the circle. However, as you get further and further away from the center those differences seem to be blurred between those within the circle and those on the outside. Those on the outer fringes may have more similarities with those on the outside than those in the inner core but they still fundamentally retain some of the inner core leanings. If you want to read some interesting stuff on that check out evangelical Mark Noll's, "A History of the Christianity in the United States and Canada." I think we need to draw the distinction between theology and history here. In the intro to the book, this quote profoundly shaped me on that front some years ago and why I thought we should be a little more generous with regards to the Mormons. Noll states:
"One of the convictions that shapes the material in this book might be called a charitable benefit of the doubt. It is the assumption that if historical figures and groups call themsleves "Christian" and if they are recognized by others as "Christians," they should be treated that way in a textbook history of Christianity. This judgment, too, reflects sentiments that are stronger in the late twentieth century than they were in earlier centuries. During the former ages, Catholics and Protestants regularly read each other out of the kingdom, as did mutually antagonistic Protestants and even sometimes factions within the Catholic Church. In a book of this sort, to write sympathetically about those who call themselves "Christian" in not to endorse every belief, institution, practice, or opinion reported. It does, however, reflect a theological conviction--namely, that the church consists of all who name the name of Jesus Christ. Christians, whether theologions and historians or laypeople and minister, should be concerned about quality control, about the application of ideal Christian norms **to their own lives.** Those who are not Christians also have every right to challenge the churches on their understanding of truth, their integrity of action, and their insight into the human condition. But on the question of who counts as a "real Christian" a historian may be excused for exercising a judgment of charity."
C. Just listening to that sermon, I could honestly agree with what is being said as I understand it through my evangelical lens. I mean it sounds like something evangelicals say. And the speaker was almost crying saying it! Just as the Church of God with Herbert W. Armstrong's son moved toward historic Christianity for various reasons, as seekers of truth I really don't want to say that God is not at work in the hearts of Mormons or their faith.
Brandon
Since love grows within you, so beauty grows. For love is the beauty of the soul.--Saint Augustine
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