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johnmd
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| Posted 2/21/2004 2:58 PM (GMT -6) |   | Response to Borg from "The Lord Giveth and the Lord Taketh Away" thread
Borg said,
I find more comfort in a
God who has Satan on a leash, and a pretty small leash at that, not able to
do anything outside of God's soveriegn will.
John's response,
Ultimately, I find no comfort knowing that instead of my best friend’s rabid dog mauling my daughter I find out that my best friend was holding his rabid dog on a pretty small leash allowing it to maul my daughter “just right” according to how he wanted my daughter mauled… “Blessed be the name of my best friend.”
That is the final implication of your theology. You arrive here not because of what Scripture actually says but because of where you start. Scripture must be interpreted not regurgitated. Start with the wholly benevolent character of God as revealed in Jesus and build your theology with that as your foundation and not manmade philosophical constructs. JESUS is the ICON of God. He destroys rabid dogs he does not “control” them.
Laika made a great point in a prior thread noting that Scripture is full of examples of God responding to evil and not manipulating evil much less causing evil. Great insight Laika!
To God alone be the glory,
John
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borg
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| Posted 2/21/2004 3:11 PM (GMT -6) | | "The his wife said to him, 'Do you still hold fast to your integrity? Curse God and die!' But he said to her, 'You speak as one of the foolish women speaks. Shall we indeed accept good from God, and shall we not accept adversity?' In all this Job did not sin with his lips." Job 2:9, 10
"And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose." Rom 8:28
"Oh come, let us worship and bow down; Let us kneel before the Lord our MAKER. For He is our God, And we are the people of His pasture." Ps 95:6
"My brethren, count it all joy when you fall into various trials, knowing that the testing of your faith produces patience. But let patience have its perfect work, that you may be perfect and complete, lacking nothing." James 1:2, 3
Do you worship God because He extends His grace to you? Or do you worship God because He is God?
Word Alone,
Borg
"Blessed is the man You choose, And cause to approach You, That he may dwell in Your courts." Ps 65:4
"So it is a more glorious work of power to uphold a soul in a state of grace and holiness, and to carry it on till it is brought to glory, when there is so much sin remaining in the heart resisting, and Satan with all his might opposing, than it would have been to have kept manfrom falling at first, when Satan had nothing in man." Edwards | | Back to Top | | |
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johnmd
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| Posted 2/21/2004 3:51 PM (GMT -6) | | Borg
Wow. That was quick.
This is a discussion Board. Interact with the text.
I do not mind answering your question I just fail to see the relevance to our present discussion.
With the Psalmist, One reason I worship God is becasue of His might deeds. The lyrics to the popular praise song "LOrd I worship you because of who you are not for all the mighty deeds that you have done" misses the point of the Psalmist who does just the opposite.
We do not worship God in a vaccumn. We worship Him because of what He has revealed in a real world in real time and in real life which while fallen is always intuitive based on principles of morality and justice which apply equally to God as well as man because these principles orginated with God. I worship Him because He and only He can perfectly display the justice and morality that I long to manifest. Now that is a mighty deed. God does not exhibit a double standard. He does not tell me to love my enemies then burn his without ligitimate offer of grace. His grace extended to all is but another of His mighty deeds that becons.
There you have it--a specific answer to a specific question.
Now, Focus. Stay on task. Return the favor and please interact with the text. Exegete the scripture. Don't just regurgitate it. I am investing time here too.
Blessings
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borg
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| Posted 2/21/2004 3:59 PM (GMT -6) | | For the fear that I'm discussing for the sole purpose of discussing, also avoiding the homework that so eagerly calls me, I must retire for the night, or at least a few hours. I will try to respond when I have time. Thanks for the effort, I'm enjoying this :)
Blessings,
Borg
"So it is a more glorious work of power to uphold a soul in a state of grace and holiness, and to carry it on till it is brought to glory, when there is so much sin remaining in the heart resisting, and Satan with all his might opposing, than it would have been to have kept manfrom falling at first, when Satan had nothing in man." Edwards | | Back to Top | | |
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johnmd
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| Posted 2/21/2004 4:19 PM (GMT -6) | | Here Here!!!
I have enjoyed it too.
I hate you have to go. Responding from the gut in pseudo real time
is where the real theological charge is. Like being in front of a crowd. You can't beat the experience when the neurons are forced to respond without checking with other parts of the brain. Like walking the tight rope without a safety net.
My Mother-in-law moved in with us today,
Can you see why I am hibernating in my Study?
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