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feelinahole
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| Posted 3/19/2004 9:19 AM (GMT -6) |   | Victoryword: context dictates...you cannot simply form your opinion onto scripture. The Psalms, for instance, were written, originally, to Jews. To fully understand them we must figure out the context in which they were written. Each scripture has a singular meaning intended for its audience of the time. Sometimes it can apply directly to us, sometimes it cannot. But making a general statement such as you do I find equally dangerous because it seems to me that it elevates scripture to the level of God. Much of the Bible is simply history. As such, it will not last when this present history passes away. God's word will never fade. But I believe parts of scripture will not be needed when the perfect comes.
As far as curse words, I believe several words used within scripture would be preceived as swear words today. It is not the word, but the meaning behind it, and how the culture (usually) of the time dictates. Regardless, the word in question and how it is used, is of a lesser concern than how many people "use" scripture.
VW: I would suggest to you not to go to extremes. What you preceive as a curse word, others do not. I don't. AS such, I would suggest that you keep such judgments to yourself. I find your comment about Muslums putting us to shame offensive...particularly since you probably don't know most of us. You are using your standards to judge others. | | Back to Top | | |
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Ochuk
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| Posted 3/19/2004 9:23 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
The use of such an irreverent word in description to a Bible should not be seen coming from a Christian's mouth or keyboard or even on a Christian webpage. I am not a moderator on this forum so I cannot make that call. However, as a brother in Christ, I can call such things to the attention of my brothers.
If one will remember that people in places such as China, North Korea, and other Communist and Muslim countries would be willing to give their lives for a Bible, and how they hold them dear and precious when they finally get one, and will share one page of it with their fellow believers, we might come to appreciate a little more the advantages we have in the West to just go to any bookstore and buy one - in a multitude of ENGLISH TRANSLATIONS.
Furthermore, if we remember how men such as William Tyndale and others gave their very lives to have this Bible translated in the language of the common people, we might not be so quick to use irreverent terms when describing it.
I agree that if the Bible is not leading the reader to the PERSON who inspired the Bible, then there is a problem and the person needs to check their motives. Nonetheless, to exalt the Word of God is NOT Bibliolatry. This term could probably identify those who use it as one's who very seldom ever spend any time meditating on this precious Book which reveals who our God is.
See this what I'm talking about. People think that because I negatively described a 90 dollar bible (something that only appeals to rich Americans, and is something no Christian in China could afford), I am attacking God's word.
That is rediculous.
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victoryword
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| Posted 3/19/2004 9:26 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Originally posted by feelinahole
Sometimes it can apply directly to us, sometimes it cannot. But making a general statement such as you do I find equally dangerous because it seems to me that it elevates scripture to the level of God.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God.
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. (John 1:1, 2, 14)
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. (1 John 5:7)
Accuse me of what you want, but I believe that the Bible is God's inerrant Word and it is sufficient for doctrine, reprrof, correction, and instruction (2 Tim. 3:16). I am to live daily by every Word that preceeds from God's mouth (Matt. 4:4)
If your beliefs cannot be supported by Scripture, they ain't worth supporting
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Tigress
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| Posted 3/19/2004 10:22 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Originally posted by feelinahole
Frankly, I do not believe the term is "profanity," ;, however, because it is offensive to you, I will refrain from using it. And I apologize if you find it offensive. However, for the record, I believe it was funny and I believe God would see the humor in it. But I do believe it would get people off the real track of the issue; people who make the Bible an idol.
Besides, I see the term as describing the use of an english translation that is so big and imposing it scares people in how it is used and abused. If the term draws people to attend to such misuse then it was worth the using. When people use it that way, it isn't the Bible anymore; it is a blasmpheous weapon.
Ochuk and Feelinahole,
Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be. – James 3:10
Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers. - Ephesians 4:29
Ass [ass] (plural ass’es)
Noun
2. offensive term: an offensive term for somebody regarded as unintelligent, thoughtless or ridiculous (slang insult)
It doesn't matter how you try to use the word or how you regard it. It is what it is. The term "big-ass" is used as a way to say a swear word where none would normally exist, purely to offend people, just like people use other profanities. Ochuk, you could have used other words like "gigantic," "mondo," "oversized" or words like that to get your point across but instead you chose to sin and use language that we all know Jesus would never use Himself. Don't just refrain from sinning to not offend me. Refrain from sinning in order to please Jesus.
Tigress 
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Tigress
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| Posted 3/19/2004 11:24 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Originally posted by Ochuk
Thanks for the bible verses, Tigress, but what's up with citing a dictionary? You are only appealing to something that agrees with your opinion that it was offensive.
Nevertheless, thanks for the Biblical warning. That I can appreciate.
What's up with the dictionary?! Feelinahole was saying that even though everyone else in the English-speaking world clearly regards any slang use of the term "ass" as being a swear word, that just because he and apparently you don't regard it as such, nullifies that fact. But, it doesn't and the dictionary definition was only proof that it's an established offensive term. What's wrong with backing up what I say with proof? Feelinahole obviously needed to see it. Maybe you didn't, but that message I wrote was for both of you, so you can disregard it if you want since you apparently do agree that the term "ass" is meant to be offensive by all English-speaking people, with the exception of the first definition which is donkey.
Also, didn't you read what I wrote beneath the Bible verses? I was stating that it's not just MY opinion that the term "ass" is offensive and the dictionary definition was evidence of that.
Tigress
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Ochuk
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| Posted 3/19/2004 11:38 AM (GMT -6) | | | | |
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Ochuk
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| Posted 3/19/2004 11:40 AM (GMT -6) | | | | |
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feelinahole
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| Posted 3/19/2004 7:14 PM (GMT -6) | | Tigress: actually, you could have saved the definition. I knew what the dictionary would say about it. Words are culturally defined even within smaller groups, despite what dictionaries may say. You appeal to a dictionary in a sinful society and that is better than appealing to the culture of a sinful society?
Hmmm... I grew up using the word in various ways, both in a joking around way and as a term for a fool. And, as I said before, from what I've read, several words within scripture would (could?) be interpreted as swear words in today's society. I would also add that your view is just as subjective as ours, T., so I really don't see how you can take the high road in this debate. It isn't the word; it is the meaning you give it. I would like to add, however, that we should always consider others in whatever we do and, in love, refrain from certain actions. I use different words around different people, just as feel free to drink alcohol around some, but not others.
VW: no one is accusing you of anything. Nor is anyone saying you are not following scripture. But by your quote of John you seem to be proving a sad point: you do not seem to know how to differ bewteen Jesus Christ The Incarnate Word and scripture that was inspired. SCripture was inspired by God but written by man. Cooperation bewteen the two. Is Jesus Christ?
This is precisely the reason I refrain from calling the Bible the word of God as much as possible. Because it confuses the two. Jesus Christ is the word, but he is not scripture. Scripture reveals the Word of God, but is not the Word itself. The Gospel was here before it was written down, was it not?
All three of your verses deal with God. None of them deal with scripture. I hope you can see the difference.
BTW: I would like to see the list of "corrupt communication" so I may know what and when to speak | | Back to Top | | |
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