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Similitude
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Date Joined Apr 2004
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Posted 6/20/2004 4:36 AM (GMT -6)

Larris,

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Jeff, you stated: You yourself admitted you had not ONE verse to PROVE your case.

The quote was YOURS, NOT MINE! I was quoting you.

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Jeff you stated: Did I not already agree that "THE MATTER" had been settled in Acts 11?? Yes I DID! But you misunderstand what "THE MATTER" IS. It is NOT that ALL believers are free from the covenantal obligation to keep the Law - but that the GENTILES were not to be held to it. Re-examine the time line. I'm not aware of ONE verse that says the Jews EVER concluded that THEY need not keep the Law.
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I’m sorry but that was something YOU SAID, not me. It is YOU who are not aware of ONE VERSE that will prove my case. You just assumed because I included no scripture in my previous post that I also was unaware of one verse to prove my case. Where as my omission of scripture had to do more with ‘time’ than evidence. Believe it or not I do have a “LIFE” outside of the net. And I fully intend to expound on the matter at a later date.

I must have misinterpreted you when you said:

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Yes, you are right in saying "I'm not aware of ONE verse that says the Jews EVER concluded that THEY need not keep the Law.”

This conclusion of theirs began as simple ignorance of the truth of the Gospel, but once the fullness of the gospel was revealed it became all out unbelief and rebellion against the truth.

And I can relate to the difficulty of managing a LIFE outside of this forum. It's addicting isn't it?? That's why I have to keep my posts short and to the point. I hope I don't come across as heartless.

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Mark my words, that those ecumenist who speak constantly of tollerance and keeping one's opions to one's self, will be the first one's to throw you to the lions for your "opinions", WHEN (not "if") they actually get the power to do so.

I agree 100%, Larris!

wjs

Similitude
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Posted 6/21/2004 1:49 AM (GMT -6)

Larris,

You may be surprised to find that my views about what the Church is TODAY is very similar to your view. It's how we get to that view that's important to me. I believe the scriptures are perspicuous and that the Church can never come to one mind and be effectual until the whole Church excepts the scriptures that way.

Virtually everything you have trashed about dispensationalists, I disagree with. But I DO, like those other dispensationalists, believe that the prophecies about Israel in the OT WILL BE FULFILLED. "For the gifts and callings of God are without repentance." To read retroactively a "spiritualized" definition of Israel back into the OT and thereby ANNUL it's original meaning is just another form of eisegesis, in my humble opinion - what Peter calls the "wresting" of scripture, because it does violence to the natural reading. Such a retroactive reading is a violation of the inductive method - the proper way to approach and exegete any written text.

wjs

SwanLake
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Posted 6/23/2004 5:02 AM (GMT -6)

very interesting discussion

"We tend to scoff at the beliefs of the ancients.
But we can't scoff at them personally, to their faces,
and this is what annoys me." -- Jack Handey

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