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PotOnWheel
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   Posted 9/3/2002 6:55 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Something illustrative of the REALISM in Orthodoxy (or sometimes NOT due to outside influences).

COMPARE THIS UKRANIAN SITE USING "SCHOLARLY" COMMENTARY

Ukranian Site

WITH YANNARAS:

Yannaras #4: www.jbburnett.com/yannaras/yannaras-art.html#sec4
Yannaras #6: www.jbburnett.com/yannaras/yannaras-art.html#sec6

The Ukranian website makes the erroneous statement that:

quote:
"Icons represent the art of symbols. The beautifully decorated pictures should demonstrate that the reality we know is only a cover under which a higher principle is hidden. A real icon does not depict reality but the eternal idea."


Definitly sournds like some sort of Platonism, doesn't it? Oooops!

A BIG PROBLEM with this is the lack of REALISM: That it does not address the world of John 3:16, and the flesh-world that became "Emanual."


My friend commented on the difference by pulling out these quotes:



quote:
"It is certainly through Greek tradition and technique that the Byzantine iconographer reaches the point of transcending the individual and incidental characteristics of the person or object depicted. This transcendence, however, does not aim to manifest the idea of the entity, to reduce the actual existent object to an ideal "universal." For the Byzantine iconographer, the only existential reality beyond corruption and death is the person, the dynamic transcendence of individuality which constitutes a transformation in the mode of existence. It is no longer a matter of reducing the concrete to the abstract universality of an idea which is a 'metaphysical' datum, accessible to the intellect alone. At issue is the potential existing in concrete reality, in man's individual flesh and the flesh of the world, to participate in the true life of personal distinctiveness, of freedom from any natural predetermination. In the icon, the iconographer sets out the personal mode of existence which is love, communion and relationship, the only mode which forms existential distinctiveness and freedom into a fact of life and a hypostasis of life."


My friend continues:

    There you have it--icons are not about ideas, but about persons; and yet not about their mere individuality, but about the potential for that Life which transforms even the flesh and even death into an event of communion.



ANY PART OF THIS INTEREST ANYONE FOR DISCUSSION?




Edited by - Al2Si2H4O9 on 09/03/2002 11:58:36 AM
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