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n/a
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| Posted 10/30/2002 7:45 AM (GMT -6) |   | I know a good portion of us are Christians on this board, but can someone give me an objection to this quote[I thought up--if it sucks, it was anohter guy who thought it up  ]?:
"Atheism admits defeat."
Does anyone see an error in the logic of this quote?
Blessings,
Paul
"The Creator's power (by which I mean the capacity to influence the world) is made manifest paradoxically in the vulnerable defenselessness of crucified man."
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Alan Rhoda
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| Posted 10/30/2002 1:56 PM (GMT -6) | | Paul,
Strickly speaking, there can be no error in the logic of the quote, because it is just a statement, not an argument. But besides that, can you say more about the context in which this quote occurred? It's impossible to evaluate the truth or falsity of the statement without having a clearer idea of just what it's intended to say. Any clarification you can provide would be appreciated.
Vaya con Dios,
Alan
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n/a
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| Posted 10/30/2002 2:34 PM (GMT -6) | | Alan,
Thanks for your reply. Even though it was a statement, I wanted to be sure it wasn't a misinformed statement, one that could stand up to structural criticism. On the quotes meaning: I just thought it made sense to say one who subscribes to an atheistic position, has admitted defeat in respect to theistic belief; they have given up trying to rationalize God in light of "lack-of-evidence," or, "lack-of-information."
Blessings,
Paul
"The Creator's power (by which I mean the capacity to influence the world) is made manifest paradoxically in the vulnerable defenselessness of crucified man."
-John F. Haught
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might-be-don
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| Posted 10/31/2002 3:11 AM (GMT -6) | | I once had a bumper sticker that said:
"God created atheists too"
peace and love< don
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Tom
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| Posted 10/31/2002 4:05 AM (GMT -6) | | Hi Paul-
Given the truth of theism, your quote may only sometimes be true. Some atheists give up too soon. These may prefer a world void of God than one with God. On the other hand, some atheists (Mephi would argue I'm sure!) don't give up too soon. They (let's assume) really follow the arguments, all of them, as far as they can. They want a reason to believe and yet in the end aren't convinced. They're honest atheists. Your quote wouldn't apply to them I'd think.
Personally, I'm not convinced there is such a thing as an "honest athiest" if that means "the arguments for atheism are better than the arguments for theism." If that's true, then why shouldn't I be an atheist? If I'm a theist becasue I believe the arguments/evidence for theism outweigh that of atheism, then can I really concede that any atheist has "good reasons" for being an atheist? Just tossing out a thought.
So, your quote would seem to be true to theists, but how many atheist would agree with it? They'd rather argue: "Theism admits defeat." That is, people choose to be theists because they are unwilling, or unable to face the truth that the universe is meaningless. If that's the truth, then it's the theist who admits defeat.
Clear as mud?
Tom
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n/a
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| Posted 10/31/2002 5:55 AM (GMT -6) | | Thanks for the advice; I really appreciate it.
God bless
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| Posted 10/31/2002 5:58 AM (GMT -6) | | Might-be-don said:I once had a bumper sticker that said:
"God created atheists too"
Cool! Now that is original.
Blessings,
Paul
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