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PotOnWheel
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   Posted 6/14/2003 11:39 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Good discussion. I'm keeping up. And I seem to have enough of a handle on what you are discussing--again, you are all doing a great job.

I want to interject one question--a question 'without geography!" (Even though what I posted above was "Eastern.") HOW DOES THE FORM CONCEPTURALIZED THEN BEAR ON HOW WE UNDERSTAND PENTACOST?

This is not 'out of the blue.' The Thomist based discussion is about "passive and active potency, and pure act, and intermediaries..." But, then "HOW IS PENTACOST (and hence us) PICTURED IN THE SCENE?

Here's what a "Western" Bishop, Saint Irenaeus of Lyons said:

    "The Spirit is in us all, and He is the Living Water Which the Lord grants to those who rightly believe in Him and love Him and who know that there is one Father, Who is above all and through all and in us all."



Do YOU understand "the Spirit" to be (1) God's very essence, (2) his personal uncreated energies, or (3) an intermediary "created grace?"

Am I correct about #3 being the Thomist view?

What is the view of those here in this discussion?

Thanks.

PoW





Edited by - PotOnWheel on 06/14/2003 4:51:57 PM
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rossfadeinout
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   Posted 6/18/2003 4:22 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Jason,

I e-mailed you, but not sure if you got it (I used the e-mail address listed on your profile) but I am definitely interested in talking with you more about your experience at SES... But this discussion is probably not the best format. Maybe you could e-mail me back. The Apologetics conference sounds AWESOME. Would love to go...

To everyone,

Alan's last post was pretty thorough in attempting to define the terms, a good place to start. I'm looking forward to hearing what Alan's position is.

One quick question... in a Thomistic understanding of God as pure act, does this belief also require that God be timeless?

Ross

Ross

"Let us remember how common the folly is of going from one faulty extreme into the opposite." -Thomas Reid
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