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| Posted 6/27/2002 8:07 AM (GMT -6) |   |
Dr. Boyd: I have 2 questions and a comment.
1st question
TNT has one process for healing emotions that is very similar to the Theophostic process. In both models a troubling emotion is healed by finding the memory that is unconsciously associated with the emotion, than working with that memory. There is a difference in these models that I believe needs further exploration. The TNT model calls for the person to stay dissociated from the original memory, while the Theophostic model calls for the opposite to happen. In Theophostic they try to associate the ?client? as much as possible to the original memory. (abreact) Why the difference? I have talked to people from both models and have not found satisfactory reasons for the difference. (I think an improved healing process would result if this question were explored further.)
2nd
What is your reaction to this quote from the 2001 Leann Payne newsletter. (Taken from the Internet http://www.leannepayne.com)
??In my opinion they involve a form of dualism that (finally) skews even the way we see the Godhead.
This view is beginning to show up in the work of evangelical theologians such as
Gregory A. Boyd, in his book God at War: The Bible and Spiritual Conflict.
A contention of this book, one that should wake up the most passive Christian, is
that we must go to the primitive cultures to learn what spiritual warfare is all about.
We must, in other words, learn discernment from occult sources-shamans, witchdoctors,
and the like. This is yet another example of what it looks like to tip over from
scientism into spiritism, mechanism into shamanism.
These problems are of a stunning magnitude and call for nothing less than a return
to a Christian worldview, and to the wisdom and knowledge that come with the
empowering of the Holy Spirit. Mr. Arnold, strangely denying the seriousness??.?
It seems to me you are taken out of context. Both ministries yours (cataphatic prayer, and Al Larson, TNT stuff) and Leann Payne are awesome and have so much to teach the American Christian church about healing and are parallel in a lot of ways, it was disturbing for me to see her comments. ( I have always wondered about Christians commenting on each other in the public forum. I remember the Dave Hunt book from years ago. I wonder how much they call each other up and listen and talk before articles are published.
3rd comment
Your sermon on May 19th was great. The difference between being and doing, filled and empty, is key. I think you though, misrepresented a key point. You said when a person is operating out of fullness there is joy, rest, peace. I think you did a disservice by not portraying accurately the way a person would express emotions like sadness, anger, fear, and concern.
You gave an example of a pastor not caring what people thought about his sermons because he wasn?t getting life from his sermons. I think that example is really an example of a person getting life from doing. The heavy feelings he felt were so huge he had to push them down and deny them. His conscious mind didn?t allow him to feel the inappropriate emotions of depression or worry. Notice I said depression and worry NOT sadness and concern. In a country that as the German theologian Helmut Thielicke said ? has an inadequate theology of suffering?, this is an important point. I see to many Christians deny their heavy feelings and use Christianity to strengthen this denial. I believe if a person were truly filled with Christ he wouldn?t deny heavy feelings but express them and work through them. His heavy feelings would appropriately drive him to Christ and community. ?Blessed are those that mourn for they will be comforted?. There is a difference between sadness and debilitating depression, anger and rage, concern and worry,
It may seem as if am belaboring a point, yet whole churches are built on this theology of denial. The way they do groups, evangelism, worship evolves from this theology of denial. Their definitions of love, suffering, all spring from this theology.
I have been a Christian for 30 some years and it was just this year that I heard a speaker, John Eldredge, talk about the verse that a part of Christian maturity is groaning. (Romans 8:23) Not a popular concept in this culture of instant gratification.
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shell
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| Posted 6/27/2002 9:36 AM (GMT -6) | | Finder,
Have you taken TNT? I just thought I'd jump in and give my two cents worth after taking only the first year of TNT and heading on to year two.
Al Larsen( I am not qouting him, and this is just my interpretation of what he said) addressed some of the differences towards the end of first year. My take on it was that when someone is deeply associated to that emotion they are still only drawing on the resources of the age they were at at the time that the belief was installed. It can be a point at which the person is stuck and in so much pain that they cannot take the step back(disassociate)and draw on the TRUE resources that are now available to them as an adult. It was also pointed out that associating at such a deep level without teaching them how to disassociate to do the inner healing work could actually cause a person to remain in that state. I don't say this to say that Theophostics doesn't work or that one is better because I don't personally have experience with Theophostics, but I do have personal experience in how disassociating from a painful memory through the changing of submodalities is a very effective way to get unstuck and begin healing in a painful area, and work with the Lord to bring about change.
Shell
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