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|  pia†desideria Registered Member
 Date Joined Jun 2001 Total Posts : 301 | Posted 12/12/2001 6:21 PM (GMT -6) |   | A little more for Meph on the subject of “The Arbitrary God => the Wind of the Spirit.”
Sometimes God interrupts us along the way (like Paul on the road to Damascus) and sometimes God simply joins us (like the disciples on the road to Emmaus). Sometimes the Spirit sends us to the last people on earth we would expect to get saved (like Philip and the Ethiopian eunuch), and sometimes the Spirit sends us to people who we expect to get saved (like Cornelius, “a devout man” who already “feared God” before Peter got to him). Either way, I have to come to the same conclusion you do about the wind of the Spirit. It blows wherever it blows. Jesus describes it this way in the context of explaining to Nicodemus that he needs to be born again. Interesting. pia
p.s. how’s the book? 
~·•·~·•·~·•·~·•·~ Martha said to Jesus, “Lord, if you had been here, my brother would not have died. But even now I know that God will give you whatever you ask of him.” § John 11:21–22
Edited by - pia†desideria on 12/13/2001 08:23:19 AM | | Back to Top | | |
 |  pia†desideria Registered Member
 Date Joined Jun 2001 Total Posts : 301 | Posted 12/12/2001 6:23 PM (GMT -6) |   | POW, thanks for the quote! pia
~·•·~·•·~·•·~·•·~ Martha said to Jesus, “Lord, if you had been here, my brother would not have died. But even now I know that God will give you whatever you ask of him.” § John 11:21–22 | | Back to Top | | |
 |  PotOnWheel Registered Member

Date Joined Jul 2001 Total Posts : 9890 | Posted 12/13/2001 1:00 AM (GMT -6) |   | What is SPIRITUAL?
Spiritual is not disembodiment.
Spiritual is in communion with, and in obedience to, the Spirit of Christ.
Man, created body, soul and spirit is unique in all creation. We are physical AND spiritual. Alone in this distinction, we are given by God a unique ministry.
We are mediators between God and the creation. We alone can give back creation to God in thanksgiving and worship.
That is spiritual.
PotOnWheel
(ISA 64:8 "Yet, O Lord, you are our Father. We are the clay, you are the potter; we are all the work of your hand.")
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 |  Mephi2K Registered Member
 Date Joined Jun 2001 Total Posts : 713 | Posted 12/13/2001 2:51 AM (GMT -6) |   | What is SPIRITUAL?
Spiritual is not disembodiment.
Spiritual is in communion with, and in obedience to, the Spirit of Christ.
Man, created body, soul and spirit is unique in all creation. We are physical AND spiritual. Alone in this distinction, we are given by God a unique ministry.
We are mediators between God and the creation. We alone can give back creation to God in thanksgiving and worship.
That is spiritual.
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 |  PotOnWheel Registered Member

Date Joined Jul 2001 Total Posts : 9890 | Posted 12/13/2001 11:20 AM (GMT -6) |   | This seems the best place to put a particular section of Ware's "The Orthodox Way" on that kind of mediation. As being both spiritual AND material we can be described as a "microcosm" of creation. This is food for thought. The coooolest thing is to be a "microcosm and mediator." Of all creation that is most special. What a horrid thing the occult is, to give up or to mortgage that role to spirits. WE can worship God in a unique way. Our daily lives are holy.
PoW (ever learning and yearning...)
quote: (from Ware, pp. 49-50)
Microcosm and Mediator
Body, soul and spirit, three in one, man occupies a unique position in the created order.
According to the Orthodox world-view, God has formed two levels of created things: first, the "noetic", "spiritual" or "intellectual" level, and secondly the material or bodily. On the first level God formed the angels, who have not material body. On the second level he formed the physical universe -- the galaxies, stars and planets, with the various types of mineral, vegetable and animal life. Man, and man alone, exists on both levels at once. Through his spirit of spiritual intellect he participates in the noetic realm and is a companion of the angels; through his soul, he moves and feels and thinks, he eats and drinks, transmuting food into energy and participating organically in the material realm, which passes within him through his sense perceptions.
Or human nature is thus more complex than the angelic, and endowed with richer potentialities. Viewed in this perspective, man is not lower but higher than the angels; as the Babylonian Talmud affirms, "The righteous are greater than the ministering angels" (Sanhedrin 93a). Man stands at the heart of God's creation. Participating as he does in both the noetic and the material realms, he is an image of mirror of the whole creation, imago mundi, a "little universe" or microcosm. All created things have their meeting place in him. Man may say of himself, in the words of Kathleen Raine:
Because I love The sun pours out its rays of living God Pours out its gold and silver on the sea... Because I love The ferns grow green, and green the grass, and green The transparent sunlit trees... Because I love All night the river flows into my sleep, Ten thousand living things are sleeping in my arms, And sleeping awake, and flowing are at rest.
Being a microcosm, man is also mediator. It is his God-given task to reconcile and harmonize the noetic and the material realms, to bring them to unity, to spiritualize the material, and to render manifest all the latent capacities of the created order. As the Jewish Hasidim expressed it, man is called "to advance from rung to rung until, through him, everything is united". As microcosm, then, man is the one in whom the world is offered back to God.
Man is able to exercise this mediating role only because his human nature is essentially and fundamentally a unity. If he were just a soul dwelling in a body, as many of the Greek and Indian philosophers have imagined -- if his boy were not part of his true self, but only a piece of clothing which he well eventually lay aside, or a prison from which he is seeking to escape -- then man could not properly act as mediator. Man spiritualizes the creation burst of all by spiritualizing his own body and offering it to God. "Do you not realize that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit that is in you?" writes St. Paul. "...Glorify God with your body...I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that you offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God" (1 Cor. 6:19-20; Rom. 12:1). But in "spiritualizing" the body, man does not thereby dematerialize it: on the contrary, it is the human vocation to manifest the spiritual in and through the material. Christians are in this sense the only true materialists.
The body, then, is an integral part of human personhood. The separation of body and soul at death is unnatural, something contrary to God's original plan, that has come about in consequence of the fall. Furthermore, the separation is only temporary: we look forward, beyond death, to the final resurrection on the Last Day, when body and should will be reunited once again.
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 |  Modes of Thought Registered Member
 Date Joined Jun 2001 Total Posts : 817 | Posted 12/13/2001 11:49 AM (GMT -6) |   | Hey POW, I too liked your baptism post above, and I responded to this mediator piece in the new thread you started....
"Christianly understood, truth is obviously not to know the truth but to be the truth. Despite all modern philosophy, there is an infinite difference here..." SK | | Back to Top | | |
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