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honorman
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Posted 11/26/2002 8:13 PM (GMT -6)

Anybody know any good books on Kenotic Christology?

Tom
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Posted 11/26/2002 8:27 PM (GMT -6)

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Anybody know any good books on Kenotic Christology?

Besides the New Testament?

Tom

"It might take a year or two to begin to understand Calvinism. But you won't do so by reading books. It's a transformation of outlook." Al & Fred

honorman
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Posted 11/27/2002 4:51 AM (GMT -6)

: Tom: your slip is showing...

Tom
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Posted 11/27/2002 5:01 AM (GMT -6)

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: Tom: your slip is showing...

Polkinghorne has a book called Creation as Kenosis but that's not what you're looking for really. (So why mention it Tom? Gee, I don't know.).

Tom

"It might take a year or two to begin to understand Calvinism. But you won't do so by reading books. It's a transformation of outlook." Al & Fred

honorman
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Posted 11/27/2002 6:28 AM (GMT -6)

IN Doctor Boyd's book Across The Spectrum he lists several on the issue but not which side they take. I wonder if he could help me...(hint hint).

PotOnWheel
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Posted 11/27/2002 8:45 AM (GMT -6)

I like to look around the landscape to see what my location is. Right now I'm way off by myself -- almost.

The Reformed pastor of our church did his sermon on God's suffering for the evening service. He quoted John Timmer (pastor of a Grand Rapids Christian Reformed Church) who said that in the Incarnation God committed "hara cary" (sp?)

I disagree. But when I went to the church library last night to read Berkhoff and Heindrick, they had a view similar to on this thread, that Christ, SOMEHOW, kept his divinity (as the verse says) yet also laid his divine experience.

That is a lot to ask.

Personally, I'm both comfortable with the view of the kenosis that stems from an Orthodox view of the Incarnation (an assymetrical union, as Meyendorff says) and happy with how well it both explains things and leave room for what we can't know (like to what pace Christ learned while having begun human life with ignorance of lots of things).

I'm left with the impression (having guessed that Berkhoff and Heindrick are representative) that Protestant theology is a poor cousin to Orthodox theology. One of them (Berkhoff and Heindrick) did begin to make distinctions allowing for differences between Trinitarian and Incarnational experience for the Son. And maybe he did OK. But I found myself less satisfied. That's all.

I think that it is important to remember that the Word/Son continued to make the Sun come up, and be part of the perichoresis/coinherence of the Trinity with the Father and the Spirit. The salient thing about the Incarnation, though, is that by making our humanity personally his own, Christ totally identified with us, in all ways except sin. This sketches out the two things that I think have to be held together: total identification, and the perichoresis of the Trinity. The assymetrical union (enhypostasis) provides for that just fine.

That's my opinion.

Fred

PotOnWheel
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Posted 11/27/2002 9:32 AM (GMT -6)

A note:

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the communication of idioms (perichoresis ton idiomaton). The characteristics of divinity and humanity express themselves "in communion with each other" (Calcedon definition),

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