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Originally posted by DLW

Um, precisely. So if we make everyone Christians, there shouldn't be any more abortions. In the meanwhile, we still have problem of order questions to sort out regarding the relationship between Christianity and Culture, Church and State, and what-not.

Just remember, even the Devil has been known to use scripture to back up his schemes!

Out ye demons of obfuscation, out! Be ye out of Pow!
dlw

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Just remember, even the Devil has been known to use scripture to back up his schemes! ... Be ye out of Pow!

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• Christ is the center, for understanding everything.


• Christology is the center of theology.

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Originally posted by PotOnWheel

One "zygote"


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Two Natures


One Person


Fully God


Fully Human






"uncircumscribable," yet contained in a womb


"He who is everywhere" takes up residence in a virgin

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1. Prove that I'm "obfuscating." (You are.)

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2. The INCARNATION (the union of God and humanity in one hypostasis, unto our salvation) is not accomplished by, not dictated to by the politics of humans within the Church ("problem of order questions").

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3. Further, politics of humans within the Church ("problem of order questions") do not necessarily involve the activity of the Spirit in Christ's body. Your "topic" is narrow. And though it deserves its own thread, it does not involve anything here.

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4. You said: So if we make everyone Christians, there shouldn't be any more abortions. That is probably not true. Take away all sin, and THEN... But Christian's sin. And your saying this is a non-sequitor. (Take it elsewhere. Start a thread called "Order in the midst of sin and crap.")

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5. I deeply resent this, Dave:

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Just remember, even the Devil has been known to use scripture to back up his schemes! ... Be ye out of Pow!

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Um, whether either one of us is obfuscating depends on what is at the heart of the question. We are not in disagreement about the tragedy of Abortion and God's role in fetal development. As such, you are focusing on stuff we agree about.

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I was saying that the stuff that we do need to work out lies more in the center of politics and how we relate to those who reject our ideals regarding abortion.

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Originally posted by DLW

Pow,

given how the naive manner in which we have gone about abortion politics has been poisoning Democracy in the US for the past twenty years, I should hope we would be willing to discuss it openly and freely.
dlw

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3. Further, politics of humans within the Church ("problem of order questions") do not necessarily involve the activity of the Spirit in Christ's body. Your "topic" is narrow. And though it deserves its own thread, it does not involve anything here.

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Take it elsewhere. Start a thread called "Order in the midst of sin and crap.")

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Originally posted by DLW

sorry man,

You know, I care about these sorts of things a little too much.

dlw

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Originally posted by DLW

On the other hand,

I still think it begs the question of when ensoulment occurs.
One could have the HS create the zygote and then the Word ensouling it shortly after...[:X]
dlw

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Originally posted by PotOnWheel

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Originally posted by DLW

On the other hand,

I still think it begs the question of when ensoulment occurs.
One could have the HS create the zygote and then the Word ensouling it shortly after...[:X]
dlw

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THAT drifts into heresy. And well documented heresies at that.

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Again, what is your motive for trying to change theology? Just to fit the fashion philosophies of the day? If so, what will be the theology after that?

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Luke 1

29 Mary was greatly troubled at his words and wondered what kind of greeting this might be. 30 But the angel said to her, "Do not be afraid, Mary, you have found favor with God. 31 You will be with child and give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus. 32 He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, 33 and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever; his kingdom will never end."

34 "How will this be," Mary asked the angel, "since I am a virgin?"
35 The angel answered, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God. 36 Even Elizabeth your relative is going to have a child in her old age, and she who was said to be barren is in her sixth month. 37 For nothing is impossible with God."

38 "I am the Lord's servant," Mary answered. "May it be to me as you have said." Then the angel left her.

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46 And Mary said: 
   "My soul glorifies the Lord 
        47 and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior, 
    48 for he has been mindful 
       of the humble state of his servant. 
   From now on all generations will call me blessed, 
        49 for the Mighty One has done great things for me-- 
       holy is his name. 
    50 His mercy extends to those who fear him, 
       from generation to generation. 
    51 He has performed mighty deeds with his arm; 
       he has scattered those who are proud 
       in their inmost thoughts. 
    52 He has brought down rulers from their thrones 
       but has lifted up the humble. 
    53 He has filled the hungry with good things 
       but has sent the rich away empty. 
    54 He has helped his servant Israel, 
       remembering to be merciful 
    55 to Abraham and his descendants forever, 
       even as he said to our fathers." 

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PoW: Again, what is your motive for trying to change theology? Just to fit the fashion philosophies of the day? If so, what will be the theology after that?

DLW: Um, Theology does change over time. Consider what we consider the Imago-Dei to mean. That has changed considerably over time and does lie at the heart of when we understand human life to begin.

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