 |
Open Theism Discussion Board > Public Forums > Theological Q&A > (No Subject)
| Forum Quick Jump
|
| 
Matthew Timothy Short
Huh?
Date Joined Apr 2002
Total Posts : 635
| Posted 7/29/2003 2:25 PM (GMT -6) |   | | Does anyone here dare to be honest enough to say, "I really get pleasure out of trying to prove other people wrong, because . . ." | | Back to Top | | |
 |
DLW
Registered Member
Date Joined Apr 2003
Total Posts : 2457
| Posted 7/29/2003 2:40 PM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Originally posted by Tim
Does anyone here dare to be honest enough to say, "I really get pleasure out of trying to prove other people wrong, because . . ."
I've had a lifelong struggle as a megalomaniac and otherwise couldn't give a rats-end regarding the truth?
Yeah, how'd you guess?
dlw
I-uh-scream-uh,
You-uh-scream-uh,
We-all-uh-sceam-uh for
Ice-uh-cream-uh!!!
Roberto Bernigni in
Down by Law.
I wish we didn't live in a world where buying and selling things (especially selling) seems to have become almost more important than either producing or using them.
C.S. Lewis | | Back to Top | | |
|
Matthew Timothy Short
Huh?
Date Joined Apr 2002
Total Posts : 635
| Posted 7/29/2003 3:31 PM (GMT -6) | | I am sure that my alienation  is more elevating in effect than your delusions  , David, because, well, just because, it’s mine, it’s all mine  .
Disclaimer: In recognition of the limitations of my knowledge and of the tentative nature of my probable beliefs and opinions; such ought to lead me to a tolerance of those people holding beliefs different from mine. Instead of attacking the beliefs of others, I should strive to find better grounds for my own. And when I encounter conflicting testimonies, e.g. historians, I can only weigh all sides and form a belief, conjecture, guess, doubt, or disbelief, as the case seems to warrant. | | Back to Top | | |
|
DLW
Registered Member
Date Joined Apr 2003
Total Posts : 2457
| Posted 7/29/2003 3:39 PM (GMT -6) | | Uh, yeah this entire link brings only one word to mind:
solipsism.
dlw
I-uh-scream-uh,
You-uh-scream-uh,
We-all-uh-sceam-uh for
Ice-uh-cream-uh!!!
Roberto Bernigni in
Down by Law.
I wish we didn't live in a world where buying and selling things (especially selling) seems to have become almost more important than either producing or using them.
C.S. Lewis | | Back to Top | | |
|
John Earp
Registered Member
Date Joined Oct 2002
Total Posts : 1715
| Posted 7/29/2003 7:03 PM (GMT -6) | | I really don't derive pleasure from it, but somebody's got to do it. Wouldn't do to let people be wrong.
"The Discovery of new truth will modify old views and opinions, and there is perhaps no end to this process with finite minds in any world." Charles G. Finney, Systematic Theology.
revivaltheology.net
| | Back to Top | | |
|
DLW
Registered Member
Date Joined Apr 2003
Total Posts : 2457
| Posted 7/30/2003 4:43 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Originally posted by Tim
I am sure that my alienation is more elevating in effect than your delusions , David, because, well, just because, it’s mine, it’s all mine .
Disclaimer: In recognition of the limitations of my knowledge and of the tentative nature of my probable beliefs and opinions; such ought to lead me to a tolerance of those people holding beliefs different from mine. Instead of attacking the beliefs of others, I should strive to find better grounds for my own. And when I encounter conflicting testimonies, e.g. historians, I can only weigh all sides and form a belief, conjecture, guess, doubt, or disbelief, as the case seems to warrant.
Given the probabilistic manner in which you hold to your beliefs, surely you must be open to some form of Open Theism?
dlw
I-uh-scream-uh,
You-uh-scream-uh,
We-all-uh-sceam-uh for
Ice-uh-cream-uh!!!
Roberto Bernigni in
Down by Law.
I wish we didn't live in a world where buying and selling things (especially selling) seems to have become almost more important than either producing or using them.
C.S. Lewis | | Back to Top | | |
|
Fleetwood
Registered Member
Date Joined Jul 2003
Total Posts : 110
| Posted 7/30/2003 12:03 PM (GMT -6) | | One word: PRIDE. Some people repent of it; no, they do not delight in it except perhaps in the moment. Others do not repent of it; yes, they delight in it.
"somebody's got to do it. Wouldn't do to let people be wrong."-- let's hope this is said with sarcasm.
| | Back to Top | | |
|
DLW
Registered Member
Date Joined Apr 2003
Total Posts : 2457
| Posted 7/30/2003 12:17 PM (GMT -6) | | Well, if I can say this, I don't think Doc Boyd struggles with pride. He has always had a pastor's heart in my interactions with him.
He even made sure to compliment me on my humor after I had been running ragged on him, somewhat.
dlw
I-uh-scream-uh,
You-uh-scream-uh,
We-all-uh-sceam-uh for
Ice-uh-cream-uh!!!
Roberto Bernigni in
Down by Law.
I wish we didn't live in a world where buying and selling things (especially selling) seems to have become almost more important than either producing or using them.
C.S. Lewis | | Back to Top | | |
|
Fleetwood
Registered Member
Date Joined Jul 2003
Total Posts : 110
| Posted 7/30/2003 12:42 PM (GMT -6) | | | DLW, don't exalt anyone to the level of perfection. While you might consider G. Boyd to be a fine man, he certainly is yet still a sinner as we all are. We are saved, cleansed, made new, but we still do what we don't want to do (like Paul) and will until we are made perfectly righteous and holy in our new heavenly bodies. I feel I could say with certaintly that Boyd does struggle with pride because I highly doubt there is one creature on this earth who does not struggle with pride. Obviously if he has a handle on it, he repents and fights temptation to give in to pride. Let's hope that is true. | | Back to Top | | |
|
honorman
Registered Member
Date Joined Oct 2002
Total Posts : 1137
| Posted 7/30/2003 3:59 PM (GMT -6) | | | I just get the pleasure, I don't need a reason... | | Back to Top | | |
|
Matthew Timothy Short
Huh?
Date Joined Apr 2002
Total Posts : 635
| Posted 7/31/2003 1:51 AM (GMT -6) | | That I can know nothing but my own modification seems correct, e.g. repent (change my mind), but that in myself, is the only existent thing, known as truth, I must repent of . . . not all that problematic for me, David.
And I have been called an open theist, or what I believe, most open theist would not disagree with, though I disagree with some of their statements of belief about such.
| | Back to Top | | |
|
Matthew Timothy Short
Huh?
Date Joined Apr 2002
Total Posts : 635
| Posted 7/31/2003 2:22 AM (GMT -6) | | Wouldn't do, to let people be wrong?
My guess is that I could have said, "Does it make you feel good, that you’re able to correct people," would you of then said, that I derive pleasure from it, John?
quote:
One word: PRIDE. Some people repent of it; no, they do not delight in it except perhaps in the moment. Others do not repent of it; yes, they delight in it.
"somebody's got to do it. Wouldn't do to let people be wrong."-- let's hope this is said with sarcasm.
| | Back to Top | | |
|
DLW
Registered Member
Date Joined Apr 2003
Total Posts : 2457
| Posted 7/31/2003 5:50 AM (GMT -6) | | Actually if you read the fine print in the CVM Home, they promise an extra 100 points for each OVTheist who converts a non-OVTheist in a dialogue and I think somewhere in the sex in heaven link, there was mention that one would move to a higher level in heaven, closer to the level where there is sex in heaven, if one converts another.
And so, we are just reflexively responding to the incentive schemes set up for us. No free-will or internal motivation to share about an understanding of God that has changed our lives are involved at all, or, at least, all that has only peripheral importance.
dlw
Niebuhr thought that sustained moral energy in politics depended on religion's power to mobilize reason along with self-transcending love. The prophetic tradition, meanwhile, gave Jews and Christians some protection against the temptation to identify their social causes with God's will. Lincoln's second inaugural address expressed the prophetic insight, "The almighty has His own purposes." | | Back to Top | | |
|
John Earp
Registered Member
Date Joined Oct 2002
Total Posts : 1715
| Posted 7/31/2003 6:14 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Originally posted by Tim
Wouldn't do, to let people be wrong?
My guess is that I could have said, "Does it make you feel good, that you’re able to correct people," would you of then said, that I derive pleasure from it, John?
quote:
One word: PRIDE. Some people repent of it; no, they do not delight in it except perhaps in the moment. Others do not repent of it; yes, they delight in it.
"somebody's got to do it. Wouldn't do to let people be wrong."-- let's hope this is said with sarcasm.
Tim,
Perhaps you missed the clown face I posted at the end of that statement.
"The Discovery of new truth will modify old views and opinions, and there is perhaps no end to this process with finite minds in any world." Charles G. Finney, Systematic Theology.
revivaltheology.net
| | Back to Top | | |
|
honorman
Registered Member
Date Joined Oct 2002
Total Posts : 1137
| Posted 7/31/2003 5:20 PM (GMT -6) | | | I am close enough to myself to know that I am not so utterly selfless that I do not take some pleasure from being right. I like to be right. I like to be right in dialogue, I don't like being proven wrong (though sometimes it is best). But I would be lying to myself if I said I didn't take some pleasure in being right. | | Back to Top | | |
|
Matthew Timothy Short
Huh?
Date Joined Apr 2002
Total Posts : 635
| Posted 8/1/2003 1:59 AM (GMT -6) | | Excellent observation on the Alienation, Laplace, and I read the Carnegie book you suggested at a younger age, thought it was more about personality than character I thought, though I could of missed something.
David, that was the most awesome response, in the same vein as some of PotOnwheel’s stuff, you’ve been admiring his work or what?
John,
"I really get pleasure out of trying to prove other people wrong, because . . ."
"Does it make you feel good, that you’re able to correct people,"
And, as honorman said,
"I would be lying to myself if I said I didn't take some pleasure in being right".
The above statements are very different, but they’re all about pleasure and truth, and lies.
| | Back to Top | | |
|
DLW
Registered Member
Date Joined Apr 2003
Total Posts : 2457
| Posted 8/1/2003 4:57 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Originally posted by Tim
Excellent observation on the Alienation, Laplace, and I read the Carnegie book you suggested at a younger age, thought it was more about personality than character I thought, though I could of missed something.
David, that was the most awesome response, in the same vein as some of PotOnwheel’s stuff, you’ve been admiring his work or what?
John,
I have been blessed with many opportunities to dosie-do with Master Pow! Although, I would suggest that Master Laika is also a formidable trainer in the art of wit.
dlw
Niebuhr thought that sustained moral energy in politics depended on religion's power to mobilize reason along with self-transcending love. The prophetic tradition, meanwhile, gave Jews and Christians some protection against the temptation to identify their social causes with God's will. Lincoln's second inaugural address expressed the prophetic insight, "The almighty has His own purposes." | | Back to Top | | |
| Forum Information | Currently it is Monday, November 09, 2026 11:47 AM (GMT -6)
There are a total of 97,718 posts in 6,040 threads.
In the last 3 days there were 0 new threads and 0 reply posts. View Active Threads
|
Forum powered by dotNetBB v2.42EC SP3
dotNetBB © 2000-2026 |
|
|