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Laika
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   Posted 8/12/2003 1:02 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
to paraphrase E.B. White:

"Analyzing love [humor] is like dissecting a frog. Few people are interested and the frog dies of it."

Sheep



inside you the time moves and she don't fade
the ghost in you she don't fade

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   Posted 8/12/2003 2:55 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Not analyzing (well, very little, if possible), but defining what surrounds--the context and framework--of love. If we don't do so, we end up with confusion about what is and isn't love, or what distinctions are to be made when using the word "love," especially our English usage. Hence, RD's questions.

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   Posted 8/12/2003 2:58 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
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Originally posted by Starkman

Not analyzing (well, very little, if possible), but defining what surrounds--the context and framework--of love. If we don't do so, we end up with confusion about what is and isn't love, or what distinctions are to be made when using the word "love," especially our English usage. Hence, RD's questions.

Starkman



Ya know Starkey-dude. You might make a good lay-preacher. One of those standing on the side-walks sort of people if you could get people to sponsor you.

dlw


Niebuhr thought that sustained moral energy in politics depended on religion's power to mobilize reason along with self-transcending love. The prophetic tradition, meanwhile, gave Jews and Christians some protection against the temptation to identify their social causes with God's will. Lincoln's second inaugural address expressed the prophetic insight, "The almighty has His own purposes."

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   Posted 8/12/2003 3:24 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
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Originally posted by ReasonableDoubt

Perhaps I'm getting off topic, but do you think then that action is the only thing that counts? Is the belief and feeling of the mind irrelevant? It seems that ANYONE can love their neighbor as themselves, if all that means is respecting them by acting civil, helping them out once in awhile, inviting them to church, etc. But if it means that you must have an inner belief, desire, and feeling of love, compassion and caring for that person, that's a different matter.
It seems that God's love toward us is both action AND feeling - in the sense of sacrificing his very life for us while we were yet sinners. That's more than respecting our worth and dignity.
If that is what is required of us, do you see my point about how one can't really "choose" to care about someone, have feelings of love and compassion for someone? You either do or you don't. If it is action only that is required, then, that's doable for most people.
As is often the case, the more I analyze something, the more I realize how little i actually know something.



Hi RD, I am really interested in this side conversation you started about feeling and doing. I would (stealing from Kierkegaard) use terms like passion, inwardness, "an impression of the absolute," conviction, and so forth. You are asking the question of the relation between the objective expressions of faith to the subjective passion a person has toward that which is most dear to them. At least that is the way I would start talking about it. To have something as your Absolute doesn't always create given "feelings", but it should certainly be relavent to what is most dear to you. I'd like to pursue more on this issue if you would consider maybe starting a new thread on it....


"I don't feel a real urgent burden to get all the details of my ethics worked out until I've got the profundity of my love worked out in a Christ-like way." --doc

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Modes of Thought
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   Posted 8/12/2003 3:26 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
BTW: Brandon, you must have forgotten, I already sorted out all that love vs. ethics stuff for you. It hasn't been that long since you've been here Wink


"I don't feel a real urgent burden to get all the details of my ethics worked out until I've got the profundity of my love worked out in a Christ-like way." --doc

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   Posted 8/13/2003 3:28 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Hmmm! "Today's preaching brought to you by GMC; the maker of your kind of car and truck. This isn't your daddy's sermon!"

I can only imagine, DLW! I can only imagine! (And I can dream, too!)

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   Posted 8/13/2003 3:52 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
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Originally posted by ModesofThought

BTW: Brandon, you must have forgotten, I already sorted out all that love vs. ethics stuff for you. It hasn't been that long since you've been here Wink



Yes. But we never finished it! Wink


Brandon

"Corporations are simply the kind of structure that rises when hordes of people need to be managed, and after spending some time in a large church, I've found that our spirituality does not exempt us from these inefficient and dehumanizing practices."--Steve Lansingh's review of "The Office" at The Film Form

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