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|  PotOnWheel Registered Member

Date Joined Jul 2001 Total Posts : 9890 | Posted 7/22/2003 8:36 AM (GMT -6) |   | What path did you take to Christ?
We really have to have TWO answers to that question. One for me is the young age upbringing, and the witnessing to by siblings, parents, grandparents, and church. But there is a SECOND ANSWER too!
Someone risked death by telling some tree-worshiping Scandinavian about the True God and His Son Jesus. I have a friend who grew up in Indonesia, and his pastor-missionary dad lost his life to his own congregation because he accidently--one day--ran through the villiage burial ground: a capital crime in that panthestic culture. The man is a martyr; and many are in heaven today because of him.
A pastor in chicago of Polish background told his congregation that they need to respect the Etheopian Christian refugees who are moving into the West Suburban Chicago area BECAUSE in differentiation to the tre-worshiping ancestors of the Europeans these Etheopians have been Christian and-bofore-that-Jewish since the days of Sheba and Solomon. (They HAVE the Ark of the Covenant.) The gospel reached Etheopia from two directions. When the Christian missionaries made their progress, many centuries ago, coming up from the south, they discovered fully developed worship of the God of Abraham, that was fully Jewish -- jsut not European or Mystical. The Scriptures were there. Their liturgical form is a compromise of two close cousins. Remember the "Etheopian Eunich." They were READY, and when they heard they rejoiced!!!
But my own gon-a-Viking ancestors were probably harder to like; and more dangerous to witness to.
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 |  PotOnWheel Registered Member

Date Joined Jul 2001 Total Posts : 9890 | Posted 7/22/2003 8:37 AM (GMT -6) |   | | http://www.gregboyd.org/gbfront/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2307 | | Back to Top | | |
 |  PotOnWheel Registered Member

Date Joined Jul 2001 Total Posts : 9890 | Posted 7/24/2003 8:11 AM (GMT -6) |   | One of a couple of "ex-cons" in our church experienced such a graphid (speaking figuratively, only) change in his heart, that he HAD to give his life to Christ. Many struggles and falls happened afterwards, including another incarceration. But the shear "hate" that had permeated his entire being was torn away (one thinks of Aslan and Edmond in one of Lewis' Narnia series) that God's claim on him was set.
He has the freedom to deny God; but not the freedom to ignore God.
(Not a bad Calvinist view. He goes to a CRC church.) | | Back to Top | | |
 |  DLW Registered Member
 Date Joined Apr 2003 Total Posts : 2457 | Posted 7/24/2003 1:21 PM (GMT -6) |   | I get much perverse pleasure bringing up the barbarism of my swedish ancestors with the term skoal.
I first became intense in my faith when I was hit by a car when I was seven while crossing the street to go to swimming lessons. If I had been a half-step further I would have been killed. As it was I was in a body cast for quite some time and then crutches after that.
As I reflected on my experience, I came to the conclusion that God had spared my life for a reason and that that meant God had plans for me in the future. Not too long after I was better, I requested baptism.
I've had other shocks to my system. But the most pleasant was my youngest sister who was born when I turned eighteen. I had been a post-secondary student at Bethel that year and was not sure I would continue at Bethel. I was a national merit scholarship finalist and so I could have gone on to a better academic school. However, I didn't because I wanted to be closer to my sister. As a result, I benefitted very much in firming up my faith by taking theology classes from Greg Boyd and making friends with some very mature Christians. I also got a lot of mentorship from other profs as well, including my father who I had for six courses.
I could have placed better in grad-schools if I had gone elsewhere, but then I wouldn't have had the great gift of learning and developing a friendship with Warren Samuels. I have grown in my Christianity as a result of my interaction with his thought. He is the one that got me going on the problem-of-order track.
Then, I chose to live out my faith by volunteering to help organize a graduate-employee-union during my last two years of grad-school. This gave me community, a chance to make many non-Christian friends and to earn the right to witness to them through my life and apologetic encounters like the one I describe in the homosexuality link. It hurt me with my dept and may have set back my research some, but even there I have been blessed since I don't think I could have gotten a better position than my position here in MX. I now teach/witness to the future leaders of mexico. I also get to share my faith with my fellow researchers/professors.
So God is Good! dlw
I-uh-scream-uh, You-uh-scream-uh, We-all-uh-sceam-uh for Ice-uh-cream-uh!!!
Roberto Bernigni in Down by Law.
ahehmAmericanzituhsen! This,varrrrrybaadfuryur Cuntry! Varrrrrrrybaadfuryur Cuntry! Roberto Benigni in Johnny Stecchenino. | | Back to Top | | |
 |  honorman Registered Member
 Date Joined Oct 2002 Total Posts : 1137 | Posted 7/24/2003 1:55 PM (GMT -6) |   | | | |
 |  DLW Registered Member
 Date Joined Apr 2003 Total Posts : 2457 | Posted 7/24/2003 2:39 PM (GMT -6) |   | and boy does it show!!!
 dlw
I-uh-scream-uh, You-uh-scream-uh, We-all-uh-sceam-uh for Ice-uh-cream-uh!!!
Roberto Bernigni in Down by Law.
ahehmAmericanzituhsen! This,varrrrrybaadfuryur Cuntry! Varrrrrrrybaadfuryur Cuntry! Roberto Benigni in Johnny Stecchenino. | | Back to Top | | |
 |  PotOnWheel Registered Member

Date Joined Jul 2001 Total Posts : 9890 | Posted 7/25/2003 3:43 PM (GMT -6) |   | quote: http://www.arimathea.co.uk/siegfrid.htm
St. Siegfrid, Bishop & Apostle of Sweden.
February 16th.
Slightly adapted from Fr. Alban Butler’s Lives.
The English having received she light of faith, propagated the same throughout all the northern Provinces of Europe. St. Anscar had planted the laith in Sweden, in 830; but it relapsed soon after into idolatry. The King Olas Scobcong entreated King Edred, who died in 951, to send him missionaries to preach the gospel in his country. Sigefride, an eminent priest of York, undertook that mission, and on the 21st of June, in 950, arrived at Wexiow, in Gothland, in the territory of Smaland.
He first erected a cross, then built a church of wood, celebrated the divine mysteries, and preached to the people, initially through interpreters.. Twelve principal men of the province were converted by him, and one who died, was buried after the Christian manner, and a Cross placed upon his grave. So great numbers were in a short time brought to the faith, that the Cross of Christ was triumphantly planted in all the twelve tribes into which the inhabitants of South-Gothland were divided. The fountain near the mountain of Ostrabo, since called Wexiow, in which St. Sigefride baptized the catechumens, long retained the names of the twelve first converts, engraved on a monument.
King Olas was much pleased with the accounts he heard of the man of God, and many flocked from remote parts, out of mere curiosity to hear his doctrine, and to see him minister at the altar, admiring the rich ornaments of linen, and over them of silk, which he wore in celebrating the divine mysteries, with a mitre on his head, and a crosier, or pastoral staff, in his hands. Also the gold and silver vessels which he had brought with him for the use of the altar, and the dignity and majesty of the ceremonies of the Christian worship, attracted their attention. But the sublime truths of our religion, and the mortification, disinterestedness, zeal, and sanctity of the apostolic missionaries, engaged them to give them a favourable reception, and to open their eyes to the evidence of the divine revelation.
St. Sigefride ordained two bishops, the one of East, the other of West Gothland, or Lingkoping, and Scara. The see of Wexiow he continued himself to govern so long as he lived. His three nephews, Unaman, a priest, and Sunaman and Wiaman, the one a deacon, the other a subdeacon, were his chief assistants in his apostolic labours. Having intrusted the administration of his see of Wexios to Unaman, and left his two brothers to assist and comfort him, the saint himself set out to carry the light of the gospel into the midland and northern provinces. King Olas received him with great respect and was baptized by him, with his whole court and his army. St. Sigefride founded many churches, and consecrated a bishop of Upsala, and another of Strengues. The former of these sees had been founded by St. Anscar in 830. During the absence of our saint, a troop of idolatrous rebels, part out of hatred of the Christian religion and partly for booty, plundered the church of Wexiow, and barbarously murdered the holy pastor Unaman and his two brothers. Their bodies they buried in the midst of a forest, where they have always remained hid. But the murderers put the heads of the martyrs into a box, which, with a great stone they had fastened to it, they threw into a great pond. But they were afterwards taken out, and kept richly enshrined in the church of Wexiow till their relies were removed by the Lutherans. These three holy martyrs were honoured in Sweden. Upon the news of this massacre St. Sigefride hastened to Wexiow to repair the ruins of his chureh. The king resolved to put the murderers to death; but Sigefride, by his earnest entreaties, prevailed on him to spare their lives. However, the king condemned them to pay a heavy fine, which he would have bestowed on the saint, but he refused to accept a single farthing of it, notwithstanding his extreme poverty, and the difficulties which he had to struggle with, in laying the foundation of that new church. He had inherited the spirit of the apostles in an heroic degree. Our saint died about the year 1002, and was buried in his cathedral at Wexiow, where his tomb became famous for miracles.
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 |  PotOnWheel Registered Member

Date Joined Jul 2001 Total Posts : 9890 | Posted 7/29/2003 8:32 PM (GMT -6) |   | | hAS ANYONE BECOME FAMILIAR WITH THE STORIES (WYCLIFF HAD A BOOK ON THIS) OF CULTURES THAT SEEM TO HAVE BEEN 'PREPARED' FOR THE GOSPEL TO ARRIVE. BURMA IS ONE PLACE THIS HAPPENED, WITH JUDSON. I HAVE A BURMESE FRIEND FROM THAT TRIBE. | | Back to Top | | |
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