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honorman
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| Posted 8/1/2003 5:55 PM (GMT -6) |   | | Tim: evidence doesn't matter to someone who has already made up his mind... | | Back to Top | | |
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honorman
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| Posted 8/1/2003 5:57 PM (GMT -6) | | | Oh my, I think I was just condemned by Paul. The hand of God is upon me! | | Back to Top | | |
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Paul5388
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| Posted 8/1/2003 6:06 PM (GMT -6) | | Honorman,
"The hand of God" is on you, but it isn't my doing! | | Back to Top | | |
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honorman
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| Posted 8/1/2003 6:08 PM (GMT -6) | | | "OHNO," Paul has declared the hand of God is on me!!! | | Back to Top | | |
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Paul5388
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| Posted 8/1/2003 6:17 PM (GMT -6) | | Honorman,
Maybe you need to learn your Bible a little better. Hopefully you are one of the "righteous", even though it is easy to see you don't fit the other group.
Ecclesiastes 8.17 Then I beheld all the work of God, that a man cannot find out the work that is done under the sun: because though a man labour to seek it out, yet he shall not find it; yea further; though a wise man think to know it, yet shall he not be able to find it.
Ecclesiastes 9.1 For all this I considered in my heart even to declare all this, that the righteous, and the wise, and their works, are in the hand of God: no man knoweth either love or hatred by all that is before them. | | Back to Top | | |
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honorman
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| Posted 8/1/2003 11:18 PM (GMT -6) | | Paul: I just consider most of what you say funny and respond accordingly. It is hard for me to truly believe that there are people out there who spend so much time dotting each "i" when the NASB, NIV, KJV, RSV and others basically say the same thing, praise the same God, glorify the same Jesus. Serves no purpose, really, than to undermind people's trust in a translation, maybe their trust in God. So I just think what you are doing is funny (and a bit sad).
I think I'll finish it off with this. You can write whatever you need to after this Paul. Just blast away at the NIV. You go right ahead.
With the materials I have(and I don't have many, believe you me) I could rip through the KJV, book by book, pointing out its unreliability, its mistranslations, the areas where it's just plain confusing. Theres a lot of them in there. But why? What would be the purpose? How would God get such glory? The only thing it would do would be to make some people question whether God is reliable? Why would I do that when THE BASIS MESSAGE OF KJV IS THE SAME AS ALL THE OTHER TRANSLATIONS! I refuse to do so.
So you blast away at the NIV all you want and keep preaching the "purity" of your manuscripts. I've got more worthwhile things to do than tear down a translation of God's word. | | Back to Top | | |
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Paul5388
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| Posted 8/2/2003 10:17 AM (GMT -6) | | Honorman,
What you fail to recognize is the "tearing down" has been directed toward the KJV first and it is you and others like you that have been guilty of this "tearing down". It reminds me of the mentality of some less than intelligent southerners who try to elevate their position, by "tearing down" the worth of blacks. Protestants and other non-Roman Catholics have always rejected the RCC Bibles until W&H/Nestle's-Aland/UBS and the modern translations based on it.
Throughout this whole "discussion" I have never said the KJV is the ONLY translation that should be used, even though that is what you keep contending. The only thing I have said is there is a need to reassess the belief in the myth of the Egyptian/Alexandrian/Westcott-Hort/Nestle-Aland/UBS/RC text being the superior text, when it is nothing more than a massive PR scheme to sell the average christian on the idea that the KJV and others based on the TR are insufficient for today's use. Maybe the reason you are so "convinced" of the worth of the new Bibles and the Alexandrian Text is because you have a vested interest in selling modern translations? | | Back to Top | | |
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Matthew Timothy Short
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| Posted 8/3/2003 3:06 AM (GMT -6) | | Many scholars feel that the older manuscripts have been somewhat more accurate and important to the refinement of the newer translations. However, others have disputed this, especially since the older copies make up a tiny portion of the large quantity of manuscripts available. At least 90% of the 5,400 existing Greek manuscripts come from the Byzantine family (the basis for the Textus Receptus), and due to the overwhelming numbers of copies with which to compare and verify for accuracy, some scholars feel that the small handful of older texts should not be used to overrule the credibility of the majority. Although textual criticism shows only slight differences between the manuscript families, in those passages where the older text differs with the newer, the modern translators usually deferred to the older, primarily from the Alexandrian Family manuscripts — Codex Sinaiticus and the Codex Vaticanus. It should be emphasized that none of the revisions in the new era translations, such as the NIV or NASB (compiled with Alexandrian Family Manuscripts), conflict with any rule of faith or doctrinal issue, but some conservative church leaders refuse to accept any tampering with the "tried and proven" Textus Receptus translation of the King James Version.
http://www.victorious.org/translat.htm
Imagination projects unreal images out of the mind and seeks to attach reality to them. Faith creates nothing; it simply reckons upon that which is already there. | | Back to Top | | |
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pelajus
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| Posted 8/6/2003 2:45 AM (GMT -6) | | Hey, Paul, you from Michigan?
quote:
Church members burn `Harry Potter' books, Book of Mormon
The Associated Press
8/5/03 1:21 PM
GREENVILLE, Mich. (AP) -- Librarians and clergy at other churches expressed mixed emotions after learning that members of the Jesus Non-denominational Church burned "Harry Potter" books and copies of the Book of Mormon and non-King James Version Bibles.
Other books, magazines, posters, compact discs and movies that members believe do not promote God also went up in smoke Sunday, as more than 50 people gathered outside the church for the fiery display. Among the incinerated items were a Shania Twain album, "The Woman in Me," and a Dan Aykroyd movie, "Coneheads."
Church members who sporadically shouted "Hallelujah," "Thank you, God" and "Burn, devil, burn" said the fire was divinely inspired.
"This was definitely by the Holy Spirit," said Bonnie Conran, a member and office executive at the church.
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