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0CT0R0K
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   Posted 7/11/2003 7:38 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
more from LiveJournal! this evolution stuff is really bugging me haha

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The following questions are answered by evolutionary theory. What are the answers using Creationism? Scientists have gone to great lengths, many hundreds of thousands of times over the past 200 years, answering the questions that Creationists ask (indeed, Creationists ask the same questions decades after having be answered): how about Creationists answering some questions for a change? Please keep your answers scientific, and give evidence.

1) Why do whales have vestigial legs? Why would the gods give them internal leg bones?

2) Why do snakes have vestigial pelvises? Why do these pelvis bones have indents to receive leg bones? Why did the gods give them pelvises but not leg bones?

3) Why do dandelions reproduce asexually, but produce flowers and pollen? Why did the gods give these flowers sexual phenotypic features they don't use?

4) Why do many beetles have perfectly formed wings but cannot use them because they are enclosed inside a carapace that does not open? Why did the gods give these beetles wings they cannot use?

5) Why do all extant land animals develop embryological gill slits and gill slit bars exactly as fish do? Did the gods change their minds in mid-production?

6) Why do embryological gill slits and gill bars form part of the heart formations of all extant land animals?

7) What is a "kind," and how do you know? If a horse and a zebra are an " Equus 'kind,'" are humans and chimpanzees an "ape 'kind?'" Why or why not?

8) Why are many vestigial features fully functional for alternate functions than the identical non-vestigial features in other species?

9) Why did the gods give the panda such a sub-standard "thumb?"

10) Why did the gods make humans and chimpanzees nearly identical?

11a) For Old-Earth Creationists: Why did the gods make the universe 13,700,000,000 years ago, Earth 4,457,000,000 years ago, and humans only 1,200,000 years ago? What were they doing during all that time? Why wait over twelve billion years before making Earth? Why wait over four-and-a-half billion years before making humans?

11b) For Young-Earth Creationists: why did the gods make the universe and Earth look billions of years old?

12) Why do humans have 86 vestigial structures? (Robert Wiedersheim, 1893.) Did the gods perform an upgrade or two?

13) Why are whales sometimes born with legs, and even feet? Where do the gods think whales will be walking to--- the corner grocery store?

14) Why are some humans born with tails? Does this amuse the gods?

15) Why are some horses born with more than one toe on their legs?

16) Since the modern horse was only recently introduced to North America by the Spaniards, why is North America littered with Equidae fossils (i.e., the "horse 'kind'")?

Thank you.

Scientifically Yours,
Desertphile



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0CT0R0K
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   Posted 7/14/2003 5:01 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
no takers?

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Starkman
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   Posted 7/15/2003 3:21 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Let's just take one example--that's all I have time for!

On the whale with the leg thing ...
http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/3316.asp

It never ends!

Starkman

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Laika
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   Posted 7/15/2003 3:29 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
quote:

6) Why do embryological gill slits and gill bars form part of the heart formations of all extant land animals?



They aren't gills. I can take a fork and make parallel lines in the sand, does that make gills in the sand?

I can fast for forty days and my parallel ribs will show, does that make them gills?

That whole idea that the developing fetus goes through evolutionary stages as it matures has been thrown out.

Look I just drew parallel lines in marker on my cheeks, I have gills.



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honorman
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   Posted 7/15/2003 3:57 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Why doesn't this person deal with one question at a time, rather several at once? That to be is more enlightening than the questions hes asking.

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scott_jorgenson
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   Posted 7/15/2003 10:39 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Without taking up any of these forwarded "challenges", I will instead reject the very terms of the debate.

These challenges are provided (by the original writer, not necessarily "0CT0R0K") in an evident presuppositional context/subtext of "evolution = no God". The original writer seems to agree with this presupposition, side "with" evolution and "against" God, and put forward various mainstream-science assertions - not all of them accurately and precisely phrased - as if they could vicariously argue the atheist case. Now "Starkman" and "Laika" come along :-), also seeming to implicitly agree with the original writer that "evolution = no God", but taking the opposite side, and thus seek to refute the various poorly-framed mainstream-science assertions in an effort to defend God by denying evolution.

Those who've read my views on this forum before, know that I represent the counterview that rejects the premise - common both to too many Christians and too many non-Christians alike - that "evolution = no God". I've written at length about it here before, and can only refer readers to previous debates in this forum that are just a few clicks away.

So, enough said by me, I think.

Scott
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Starkman
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   Posted 7/15/2003 11:25 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I hadn't even thought of posting for reasons of "no god." I just posted a refute against one of the evolutionary claims, that's all.

sTARKMAN (darned Caps key!)

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DLW
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   Posted 7/15/2003 1:51 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Alister McGrath also treats evolution from a Christian perspective well in his book, "On the Foundations of Dialogue Between Science and Religion" or something like that...

An old earth-view with current life-forms emerging over time does explain a large number of facts but there still is a fair amount of onto-theological diversity in theories of evolution. I think it safe to say that the Darwinian, survival of the fittest, view of evolution whereby we emerged through simple chance-adaptations, which was seriously anti-theistic, has been refuted(although mutations of it like those by Richard Dawkins still have currency among many). There also is significant evidence that some crucial aspects of existence were designed: the size of the universe, the shape of dna, which doesn't preclude much evolutionary adaptation just as allowing for free-will doesn't preclude God foreknowing and determining aspects of the future.
dlw

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Edited by - DLW on 07/15/2003 6:52:24 PM
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