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ReasonableDoubt
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| Posted 8/22/2003 6:21 PM (GMT -6) |   | Springs - you'd do well to do more research before you accuse me of lying (libel) in a public forum. Here's a link from the Minnesota State Bar Association that includes my name as the Social Director for the YOung Lawyers section in that year. http://www2.mnbar.org/sections/new-lawyers/hearsayfall00.pdf
I would remind you that it is not befitting of a Christian to accuse someone else of lying, and not only that, but as a lawyer I could conceivably have a cause of action in defamation against you for maligning my reputation.
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honorman
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| Posted 8/22/2003 6:26 PM (GMT -6) | | You go, Springs, you spy-in-training! My respect for you grows by the day. RD, public information is available to anyone. You are welcomed to track down anything on me that you wish. Feel free...
BTW, RD, Springs never accused you of lying. Many people jump on here and use fictious indentities. You are assuming the worse. Springs was most likely simply wondering if you were being fictious. As many people do. | | Back to Top | | |
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ReasonableDoubt
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| Posted 8/22/2003 6:27 PM (GMT -6) | | | Honorman, what one does for a living is hardly "private personal" information. It's been my experience that people who try to hide what they do for a living have either been Mafia or CIA. (joke) | | Back to Top | | |
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honorman
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| Posted 8/22/2003 6:29 PM (GMT -6) | |  WOW! You think I'm a spy. Cool ! Your experience is much wider than mine... | | Back to Top | | |
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ReasonableDoubt
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| Posted 8/22/2003 6:31 PM (GMT -6) | | Well if someone is wondering if another is misrepresenting themself, the proper thing to do is privately email that person to ask them, rather than to quite obviously insinuate that you think the person is a liar in a public forum.
I'm not trying to hide anything. on the contrary, nothing i have said here has been a misrepresentation of myself, and I have plenty of proof to back myself. | | Back to Top | | |
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honorman
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| Posted 8/22/2003 6:31 PM (GMT -6) | | Paul: nice to have you and your opinions back
I am STILL laughing over Kenya's posts.
Imagine someone actually thinking such a statement would matter to me at all...
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ReasonableDoubt
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| Posted 8/22/2003 6:34 PM (GMT -6) | | | That's right, honorman, it doesn't appear that much matters to you other than being "right" in your own mind - every other person (no matter how sincere or searching) be damned. | | Back to Top | | |
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Springs
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| Posted 8/22/2003 6:43 PM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Originally posted by ReasonableDoubt
Springs - you'd do well to do more research before you accuse me of lying (libel) in a public forum. I would remind you that it is not befitting of a Christian to accuse someone else of lying, and not only that, but as a lawyer I could conceivably have a cause of action in defamation against you for maligning my reputation.
RD, I did not accuse you of lying. Are you threatening me?
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ReasonableDoubt
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| Posted 8/22/2003 6:53 PM (GMT -6) | | What was your point then, Springs?
And no, I am not threatening you. I'm looking into whether or not there's a case to be made. | | Back to Top | | |
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Springs
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| Posted 8/22/2003 7:05 PM (GMT -6) | | My point was, I was wondering if you were an attorney. For that curiosity you have called me incredibly audacious,accused me of libel, of making inquiries unbefitting a Christian, of maligning your character, of using improper communication, and now your are looking into making a case against me!
Blessings,
Springs
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ReasonableDoubt
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| Posted 8/22/2003 7:11 PM (GMT -6) | | Since you haven't posted what you do for a living, I can't know. If you had posted that you were a pastor, and I went into this public forum and said "By the way, a pastor friend of mine has looked up your name on the national pastor roster (hypothetical), and your name is not there. Are you misrepresenting yourself?" How would you feel?
Don't try to backpedal now and be all holy and righteous. You attempted to call me a liar, there's no two ways about it. I don't take that lightly. In addition, in the attorney profession, misrepresenting yourself is a grave offense. It's not like lying and saying you are a sales manager when actually you are only a sales person. I wouldn't expect you to know that. I would expect you to use some common sense and courtesy and not put out in a public forum a thinly veiled attempt at calling someone's character and veracity into question. | | Back to Top | | |
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honorman
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| Posted 8/22/2003 7:28 PM (GMT -6) | | | Again, RD, there is NO WAY, Springs called you a liar. Get off it! She never said are you mispresenting yourself. Perhaps YOU should try representing Springs in a fair and accurate way (isn't that what attorneys are suppose to do?) She ASKED if your profile was fictional is all. There is nothing in the post about lying, misrepresenting you. Nothing even remotely close Give it a rest. Talk about touchy... | | Back to Top | | |
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Paul5388
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| Posted 8/22/2003 7:28 PM (GMT -6) | | RD,
Please understand that I am not trying to excuse Springs, but, we all do things that are ill advised on occasion and Springs probably just got caught up in the "chase" on this occasion. I have listed my profession/occupation as "farmer" and I am a farmer, but I am and have been other things also. I am a high school drop out and could truthfully claim to be such, even though I have two higher education degrees. The moral is to lighten up and let what has been said be sufficient as a teaching/learning experience. | | Back to Top | | |
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ReasonableDoubt
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| Posted 8/22/2003 7:32 PM (GMT -6) | | | I appreciate your comments, Paul,but no, I'm not going to lighten up. I don't care what anyone here thinks about it, it is wrong to do what Springs did. If Springs sincerely was wondering if I was misrepresenting myself (lying), he or she could have privately emailed me to ask me so, in a sincere manner. He/she did not choose to do that. I'm not going to apologize for my reaction. And no, I'm not going to sue over it, but people have sued over much less. Point is, it is a serious thing to call into question someone's veracity, and therefore, reputation. What's the point of posting something like that other than to malign one's character? What's the point of even doing a search on me other than to hope to find out that I am lying? | | Back to Top | | |
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ReasonableDoubt
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| Posted 8/22/2003 7:34 PM (GMT -6) | | | And Honorman, if you think I'm going to "get off it" simply because you order me to, you are sorely mistaken. Do you have a problem with a woman who has an education and a mind? Are you used to ordering women around? Well I'm here, I'm not taking orders from you, and get used to it. | | Back to Top | | |
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honorman
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| Posted 8/22/2003 7:39 PM (GMT -6) | | You've never apologized for anything before, why would I expect you to now? I'll pray for you, though. Its the least I can do.
Am I used to ordering women around? I don't understand the relevance of the question... | | Back to Top | | |
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Paul5388
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| Posted 8/22/2003 7:40 PM (GMT -6) | | Honorman,
If you just donate time in a book store, why did you say "I get people coming into my store"? When I say, I get people coming unto MY farm, that means I own it. If it belonged to someone else, I would properly refer to it as THE farm. | | Back to Top | | |
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ReasonableDoubt
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| Posted 8/22/2003 7:45 PM (GMT -6) | | And Paul , I'm sure you can see the difference. You've been a farmer, you listed your occupation as a farmer, but no one has challenged you as to if you are actually a farmer or are misrepresenting yourself.
It is quite different with attorneys- the profession everyone loves to hate - and if someone holds himself out as an attorney, some people start feeling hatred and resentment towards that person. Someone finds what that person is saying disagreeable or offensive, and so that person immediately rushes to see how they can discredit them. Not so with the farmer, or with many other occupations.
I think a farmer is definitely an honorable occupation - and I also think that ANY job where you work hard and contribute to society is worthwhile. I'm not trying to say that I think lawyers are better than anyone else. I'm well aware of the reputation of many attorneys, many of which is quite deserved.
There is a difference though, in that attorneys are sworn to uphold the Canons of Professional Responsibility. Ministers and doctors (and a few other professions) also have canons they must adhere to. For example, if I was to come on here and misrepresent myself as being a law professor, I could be brought up on charges of violating those canons, and subsequently lose my license. It is a serious thing. When someone accuses me (directly or indirectly) of lying, I have no choice but to defend myself. | | Back to Top | | |
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ReasonableDoubt
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| Posted 8/22/2003 7:57 PM (GMT -6) | | | Honorman, the "relevance" of the question is that quite frequently on this board you have told me what to do in no uncertain terms. The fact that you do so, and the fact that you have insinuated that I was a "girl" who couldn't take criticism, makes me think that your bald temerity results from you being used to ordering women around, and them taking it. | | Back to Top | | |
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Paul5388
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| Posted 8/22/2003 8:06 PM (GMT -6) | | RD,
I see your point and admit that the law profession has suffered through trial lawyers and ex-President Bill Clinton. However, I was not aware of the "fallout" you told us about, that wouldn't have any effect on my abilities to pursue farming, but could easily impact you.
Too many times we encounter a Cooley's "looking glass self", or as Solomon put it, As in water face answereth to face and perceive a hostile environment. The hostilities will sometimes over ride our better judgment and we find ourselves in conflict. It might be better to look at the image we put into the "looking glass" or water and see if the fault might lie close to home. Or, maybe to realize the ripples in the water don't accurately portray the image we put forth. In any event, we should continue to radiate a godly countenance, regardless of what is reflected back.
I hope you don't mind an old man, with children older that you, trying to cool you off a little.  | | Back to Top | | |
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honorman
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| Posted 8/22/2003 8:42 PM (GMT -6) | | YOU'RE A GIRL! A thousand pardons...I had no idea...my profound apology...if I had known that I never would have responded in the way I did. I am truly sorry! I shall certainly watch my matters from now on...can't be doing no with them girls around.
Matters...manners...its all the same... | | Back to Top | | |
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Paul5388
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| Posted 8/23/2003 6:24 AM (GMT -6) | | Honorman,
Let me repost this so I am sure you got the message. I'm sure it must have been an oversight on your part for you to have neglected to respond.
Honorman,
If you just donate time in a book store, why did you say "I get people coming into my store"? When I say, I get people coming unto MY farm, that means I own it. If it belonged to someone else, I would properly refer to it as THE farm. | | Back to Top | | |
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Springs
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| Posted 8/23/2003 5:16 PM (GMT -6) | | Laika, sorry adding to the deterioration of your thread. Paul and honorman, thanks, I wasn't trying to be offensive. Just think how offensive I could be if I set my mind to it. ha. Paul, sometimes I say "my church" but I don't own it.
Aragorn take me away,
Springs | | Back to Top | | |
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John Earp
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| Posted 8/23/2003 5:28 PM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Originally posted by ReasonableDoubt
Since you haven't posted what you do for a living, I can't know. If you had posted that you were a pastor, and I went into this public forum and said "By the way, a pastor friend of mine has looked up your name on the national pastor roster (hypothetical), and your name is not there. Are you misrepresenting yourself?" How would you feel?
I am a pastor, so I will hazard a response to this. If someone questioned my credentials, I would simply point them to the denomination with which I am ordained. It would certainly be a fair question, and I would not be offended in the least. Why should I be?
I don't think Springs was calling your character into question at all. She simply said a friend of hers who had access to a national registry of lawyers was unable to find your name. All you needed to do was either: (1) Respond as you did without the defensiveness, or (2) Simply ignore her.
P.S. I think it's really cool that we have a lawyer who frequents this forum. While the profession may have at best a rather mixed reputation among the general population, in my experience lawyers are usually quite intelligent individuals who have been trained to use their reasoning capacities to a high degree. My favorite theologian, Charles Grandison Finney, was a lawyer before his call into the ministry. Lawyers usually have very good minds.
"The Discovery of new truth will modify old views and opinions, and there is perhaps no end to this process with finite minds in any world." Charles G. Finney, Systematic Theology.
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anewbeginning
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| Posted 8/24/2003 12:33 PM (GMT -6) | | Hi all.
Mepheternal posted this on another thread and I feel it's maybe relevant to all discussion here.
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I understand that you think that open view theists are wrong. And probably heretical. Fine. But PLEASE get something. Understand that to the extent that things that we do are NOT circumscribed by love, they are NOTHING. If we cannot couch our discussions here with each other in genuine love for each other, then we are DENYING our mutually claimed Christianity. If we end up disagreeing, fine. But let's do so without defacing ourselves before our fellow believers and human beings.
Let's be good, 'kay? Sweet.
I know that things can get heated when we discuss our beliefs, but please, before you hit "post reply", consider the receiver of your comments as if they were your brother/sister in Christ, since they are!!(this goes to both sides of the debate) | | Back to Top | | |
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