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larris
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Bruce Metzger one of the leading scholars of textual criticism writes under at least 2 different names which are Bruce Manning Metzger, and Dr. James H. Charlesworth, his real name is George L. Collord. And he writes and edits books towards two distinctly different groups.
1. As Bruce Metzger he writes to those who are either new to the scriptures or those who hold to the KJV and textus recptus as being authentic and authoritative. And in so doing endeavors to convince them it's not authoritative. Under Metzger he also writes along more concervitive lines.
2 As Dr. James Charlesworth he can be involved in organizations that promote eccumenicalism and Gnosticism. Express his real and more liberal views, which New Agers run to and which those who think along more truly Biblical and conservitive lines would not accept.
In other words he can present one face to one crowd as Bruce Metzger and his real face as he is to the other Gnostic Eccumenical Crowd as Dr. James Charlesworth. He is really a liberal theologian but he plays to the conservitive crowd, with a view towards luring unsuspecting Christians to his Gnostic views.
For example in his interview conducted by Planet News on the book of Revelation he clearly give an interpretation that true conservative fundamental Christians and literalist interprers in general do not hold to and would be offended at. When asked about the meaning of the apocolypse.
Dr. James Charlesworth (Bruce Metzger) states:
You have [David] Koresh who was building not on his own imagination, but on over 150 years of exegesis (meaning conservitive Protestant Doctrine) of the apocalypse of John, going back to the Shakers and going back to the Millerites and coming through the 19th century to the present. He was claiming that he was the one anointed by God to explain the meaning of Revelation. That is, he felt Revelation was written for the 1990s. Now this is the great danger. What was Revelation written for? In the minds of the critical scholars (meaning just scholars of his theory) teaching in Roman Catholic institutions around the world, Protestant institutions around the world, and when it's mentioned in the Jewish academies, the emphasis is quite different. What did this author intend to say and to whom? And the answer is around the world unanimous, whether it's Roman Catholic, Protestant, or Jewish, the author is writing to a community at the end of the first century, and he's trying to give them meaning for their lives.
http://www.theology.edu/revelation/revappen.htm
This is not a new view, it is simply the Preterist School of Interpretation developed in late 16th century by the Jesuit Alcazar. Which endeavors to declare that the events of the book of Revelation PREVIOUSLY took place. Hence the aim is clear, and the deceit is obvious that of endeavoring to relieve the Roman Catholic Church of the stigma of being called the “Harlot Church” and the Pope from being called the “Antichrist”.
However it takes on an extended meaning since in this day many fundamentalist and more literal Bible believing Christians have taken on the belief that the Harlot Church is both a mixture of Protestant and Catholic Churches joined together in ecumenical unity. Therefore it would be no wonder that these groups would join forces and endeavor to relive themselves of the stigma of being The Harlot church, by using the same Preterist method of Interpretation used 500 years ago for the same purpose.
It’s interesting that in the interview and in the introduction to who is being interviewed the name “Bruce Metzger“ by which most conservative fundamental literal Bible believers might come to know him, is not mentioned. As Bruce Metzger that is the target he is aiming at, therefore when he expounds upon his liberal and truly anti Biblical views he must present the face of James Charlesworth.
What is extremely false and truly dangerous, is how he flat out states that anyone who has a literal view of the book of Revelation is in danger of becoming another David Koresh. Hence he is attempting to squelch the liberty and freedom of others who hold opposing views, by compairing them to a known child molester, adulterer and all around kook. He might as well say anyone who holds an opposing view from his is like Hitler and in danger or becoming another Hitler. It has the same basic effect.
And it's just not true that weather Roman Catholic, Protestant or Jewish every one of those institutions holds the same unanimous view. Another thing is, since when do you ask Jewish institutions their opinion on the book of Revelation, which is in a New Testament they don’t believe in to begin with? Naturally they will agree with any method of Textual Criticism or Interpretation that cuts it out, lessens it‘s authority or gives it another interpretation all together that has no bearing on them?
And here’s another thing about Bruce Metzger, a.k.a George L. Collord, a.k.a. Dr. James Charlesworth, he’s a prominent member of the American Interfaith Institute, which is a member of the International Interfaith Movement, of which also is the Islamic Royal Institute of Inter-faith Studies. In fact you will find a “Inter-faith” institute among every religion all working toward the same goal, the combining of beliefs into non contradictiory religion and even ordaining their own ministers. Therefore an interfaith minister could be from any religion, since the goal is to combine all religions. All for world peace you know.
http://www.interfaith-scholars.org/scholars.htm
“For over 21 years, A.I.I. has engaged prominent Catholic and Protestant scholars (and Buddest and Islamic, and Hindu et. et. but of course they don’t tell you this.) to participate in research, initiate educational programs and author books and reports that will remove the seeds of hatred in the New Testament that are seminal to anti-Semitism. (Sounds good but they just say that to get the Jews in, they could care less about anti-Semitism when it comes right down to it.) This Network represents the world's leading translators, authors and researchers working in the field of biblical studies today. [NOW that ought to scare the devil out of you and get you to start researching the backgrounds of who writes all the books you read.]The influential scholars listed here have joined with us in making the world aware that anti-Semitism can only be eliminated through Christian leadership. They are committed to modifying the anti-Judaism in Christian theology.”
They are committed to Ecumenicalism a one world faith and religion and eliminating anything in the scriptures that might get in the way of that. Now on that page under the “C” is his names, well not all of his names as you can see.
James H. Charlesworth
George L. Collord Professor of New Testament Language & Literature
Princeton Theological Seminary
Princeton, New Jersey
WHY doesn’t he list his other name “Bruce M. Metzger” on the Intrfaith page? I mean wouldn’t he want everyone to know about all the books he’s written? NO he doesn’t want EVERYone to know, especially those evangelicals and fundamentalist or literalist Christians, who by the way are not anti-Semetic but are anti ecumenical, in that they do not want to crawl into bed with the Catholic Church again, or they do not want to crawl into bed with every other religion, which is the ulimate goal of the ecumenical movement aka Interfath movment. How about that everyone sure has a lot of different aka's. Using many names for the same basic thing is a METHOD or TRICK or deceiving people.
There are many Christians out there who would reject his books outright if they knew what his REAL beliefs were. Because then many of them would recognize the deceiving purpose behind those books. That is to weaken their faith in the written word of God and draw them into the ecumenical bed, of the desired inter-faith one world religion. Because as long as you hold to a firm belief in the Bible as declairing not a truth but thee truth and revealing the ONE true God, you are going to be at odds with interfaith ecumenicalists. So they have to get you on their side by slowly luring you with small lies that graduate into big lies as you feed on them. And they do this by pretending to be one of you.
And here we have a biography of James H. Charlesworth with narry a mention of him being Bruce M. Metzger.
James H Charlesworth - George L. Collord Professor of New Testament Language and Literature at Princeton Theological Seminary.
James H. Charlesworth received an A.B. from Ohio Wesleyan University, a B.D. from Duke Divinity School, a Ph.D. from Duke Graduate School, and an advanced degree from the École Biblique de Jérusalem.
He has been on the faculty of Duke University, the Universität Tübingen, and The Hebrew University, Jerusalem, Israel.
Since 1984, he has been the George L. Collord Professor of New Testament Language and Literature at Princeton Theological Seminary.
He has written or edited more than thirty books and 200 articles, including editing of the first comprehensive English language edition of the Pseudepigraphia. Some of his recent books include
· Jesus Within Judaism (Doubleday),
· Jesus' Jewishness (Crossroad),
· What Has Archaeology to Do with Faith (Trinity),
· The Messiah (Fortress),
· Jesus and the Dead Sea Scrolls (Doubleday),
· Qumran Questions (Sheffield).
He has been involved in the discovery of more than four thousand biblical and religious manuscripts and has worked on photographing and translating the Qumran scrolls.
He is the editor of BIBAL's Dead Sea Scrolls & Christian Origins Library and the editor of the Dead Sea Scrolls Project at Princeton Theological Seminary.
Again so where is Bruce Metzger?
The whole thing just smacks of deceit from beginning to end. Then as Dr. James H. Charlesworth we have a quote like the following.
"Jesus may have inherited from the Essenes [Yahad] their concept of the Holy Spirit.”
James H. Charlesworth, "The Dead Sea Scrolls and the Historical Jesus" in Jesus and the Dead Sea Scrolls (1992), p. 20
There a whole lot of Christians out there, who if they ever read that under the name of Bruce Metzger, wouldn’t give Metzger’s books a second look. Because Metzger’s books are there to lure them in to believing this kind of deceit. Yes let’s study the Essenes and just combine all our doctrines and beliefs and fall right into mysticism. Hence Interfaith ecumenicalism.
Another Quote from the same book to prove my point.
“If so, Jesus and his followers inherited the term 'the sons of light' from the Essenes”.
Well if Jesus and his followers inherited so much from the Essenes, then obviously GOD didn’t teach Jesus anything. Therefore if we really want to know what Jesus taught, let’s study the Essenes. And since what Jesus said was like what the Essenes said, then I'm sure we can find a similar passage in the Koran, or the Bagavad Geeta or the Book of Mormon, or Hitlers Mine Komp, or something Lennon said. I sure if we did far enough we can find that the Inter-faith movement is also a member in good standing with the United Religions Organiztion started by Mechael Gorbechav, the ex president of the USSR.
Anyway more quotes from Dr. James Charlesworth Metzger Collord can be found at the best NEW AGE sight on the web at http://www.mystae.com/restricted/reflections/messiah/xenochian.html
And here we go at GNOSTIC BOOKS DOT COM. we find another “special” book of Dr. Charlesworth, (who is really Metzger, who's reall, Collord.
Authentic Apocryphy by james H. Charlesworth
The Publisher, April 16, 1998
Entertains & informs
in this book, Dr. Charlesworth introduces the reader to stories which many early Chrsitans regarded as Scripture, BUT which are not a part of our modern Bibles. They are fascinating to read and can provide important insights (into how to be a pagan Gnostic, my comment.) the development of Christianity and even the nature of the Gospels (Gnostic, New Age my comment) in the New Testament.
They want to make sure they get those extra books in there, especially those ones that give a gnostic tilt to anything, of which there are many. I am not against reading anything, even anything that claims to be scripture. However I am against people who deceive you by not showing their true colors to begin with.
James H. Charleswoth has at least FIFTY EIGHT, yes 58 different books with his name on them either as the author, coauthor or editor and all about the Dead Sea Scrolls, Gnosticsm, and interfaith ecumenical concepts. Then as Bruce M. Metzger he has SIXTY FIVE, yes 65 listings of different books he’s either written or helped write or edited, for those who don’t go into all that Gnostic stuff YET. And he has more book ideas in the works. My where dose he get all the time? It’s a cinch that most of the works are collaborations and conspiracy of many willing hand the Interfaith Institute. I’m sure this keeps a lot of Jesuits real busy.
Plain and simple, straight forward this man’s one of the very deceivers lying in wait for unsuspecting people to get tagged by his books and led into the idolatry of Gnostisicm and Mysticism, which is really theosophy and neoplatonism and ultimately into eccumenicalism and not just back to Rome, but back to Greece herself. For they are just doing as the Greeks did combining all religions and all gods into one singular religion..
It makes me really weep for all of God’s people who are deceived by these kinds of people. It makes me weep because I too was at one time deceived by the very same thing and it was a real SHOCK for me to learn the truth of their deceptive tacktics. It also took me years to eradicate all that I learned from them. I know that in being blunt about this man I will probably offend some people by what I have said about him, I’m sorry for that but people have the right to know the truth about the motives of someone. In my book the guy is a deceiver and what he teaches is purposly meant to give you a lack of trust in the authority of Scripture in general. As well as to lead you into a Gnostic and Platonic Interpretation of the Scriptures.
I'd say that if Bruce Manning Metzger, aka Dr. James Chalesworth, aka George L. Collord is not the antichrist, he's sure helping to pave the road to world rule for him or them or it. But then according to him that would be my Koreshic Interpretaion, since I believe the events will be in fact real events and not just an allegory to make us feel better about ourselves in this bad world.
May God bless you in the name of Jesus Christ by helping you to see the truth and escape from those who are living in this error, as he did me.
In the Love of Christ,
larris
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John Earp
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| Posted 5/19/2004 5:01 PM (GMT 0) | | Larris,
A simple search of the Princeton Seminary website reveals the source of your misunderstanding. "George Collord Professor of New Testament Language and Literature" refer to the chair (position) that is named in honor of Collord. It is common practice in schools of higher education to honor past leaders by naming a chair (professorship) after them. Dr. Metzger and Dr. Charlesworth are two separate individuals; Dr. Metzger is the emeritus professor (meaning basically that he retired with honor and much achievement), while Dr. Charlesworth is the current professor holding the Collord endowed chair.
http://www.ptsem.edu/meet/fsdirectory.htm
The following information is found at the above link to Princeton's webpage:
James H. Charlesworth, Ph.D.
George L. Collord Professor of New Testament Language and Literature (Methodist)
Bruce Manning Metzger, Ph.D., D.D.(Hon.), L.H.D.(Hon.),
D.Theol.(Hon.), D.Litt.(Hon.)
George L. Collord Professor of New Testament Language
and Literature Emeritus
"The Discovery of new truth will modify old views and opinions, and there is perhaps no end to this process with finite minds in any world." Charles G. Finney, Systematic Theology.
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Asher
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| Posted 5/19/2004 5:05 PM (GMT 0) | | Hi,
Maybe I'm missing something, but...
Isn't George L Collord the name of an endowed chair at PTS? Therefore, more than one person can be the
George L. Collord Professor of New Testament Language and Literature
Wasn't Bruce Metzger the George L. Collord Professor of New Testament Language and Literature until 1984, and now he is referred to as Professor Emeritus?
Didn't James H Charlesworth become the George L. Collord Professor of New Testament Language and Literature in 1984 when Metzger's time was over?
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Asher
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| Posted 5/19/2004 5:08 PM (GMT 0) | | | John, looks like you scooped me by about 5 minutes. | | Back to Top | | |
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PhilTheThrill
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| Posted 5/19/2004 11:26 AM (GMT -6) | | This thread made me laugh out loud at work.
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feelinahole
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| Posted 5/19/2004 11:49 AM (GMT -6) | | | Someone should notify Master Metzger so he can know who he is. | | Back to Top | | |
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Tom
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| Posted 5/19/2004 6:01 PM (GMT -6) | | Good job larris!
Having seen Charlesworth in Israel years ago (and knowing what Metzger looks like by photograph), I can tell you they're two different people.
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larris
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| Posted 5/19/2004 6:59 PM (GMT -6) | | “There is no sadder sight in the world than to see a beautiful theory killed by a brutal fact.”{/b}
A friend at work gave me this quote about 6 month ago. I loved it immediately because it is what I have lived by for the last 20 years. Therefore I am pretty use to coming to the conclusion on my own that I am wrong about something, and admitting it. And that is because I live my life by John 8:31&32
John 8:31 & 32
Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If you continue in my word, then are you my disciples indeed; And you shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free.
I don’t study the Bible to make a living, I study the Bible to live. And truly the only reason I live now is because of it.
It’s so funny, who in the NORMAL world would think that the name of another guy would be given to two different men as some sort of title. Especially a proper name for pete’s sake like George L. Collord. After all haven't you ever heard of a “pen name“. If you read the reasons for why people get pen names, it‘s easy to see how I could make the mistake. http://www.jh-author.com/pename.htm. But that’s ok, I can see why I made that mistake and have never had a problem facing up to being wrong about anything.
OK so they are not the one and the same person, and yet.....THEY ARE, they are both George L. Collord, they are both professors, they are both employed at Princeton and they are both going down the same shameful deceptive road. THEY MIGHT AS WELL BE THE SAME PERSON, since they are in essence ONE in UNITY with the DAMAGE they are doing to the Word of God. Gee along with George L. Collord they’re a TRINITY.
I realize that I given you all a good laugh, but I’m not the one calling anybody MASTER here, but Jesus.
Mathew 23:8
But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren. And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. Neither be ye called MASTERS: for one is your Master even Christ.
So here you have two guys, both so called Biblical Experts, who really don’t believe the Bible like they claim, and have no problem with being called “MASTER”. And then you have an untold number of people, who also claim to be Christian doing exactly what Jesus said NOT to do and calling these guys MASTER.
So can you tell me why both they and you claim Jesus is your Lord and do not do as he says to do? And if they do not claim Jesus as their Lord and they re teaching the Bible, then how messed up is that? My stupid mistake will narry be remembered by God at the judgment seat, but how about yours?
John 12:48
He that rejects me and receives not my words, has one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last days.
Your actions, your words will be held up right next to the very scripture which the TWO I mistook for ONE use their profession to belittle and destroy.
Though I made what could be for some an embarrassing mistake, I feel no shame whatsoever. Why should I feel shame for defending the Word of God and attempting to warn people of something that is harmful to their relationship with God. I feel NO SHAME, no embarrassment whatsoever. If I make a spectacle out of myself I am just fulfilling my calling.
So in your amusement of my ignorance perhaps you might think also of this.
1 Cor 1:26
For ye see your calling brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble are called: But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God has chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; And the base things of the world, and the things which are despised, has God chosen, yea and the things which are not, to bring to not the things that are. That no flesh should glory in his presence.
In the Love of Christ,
larris
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John Earp
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| Posted 5/19/2004 7:19 PM (GMT -6) | | A cursory glance at the Princeton website reveals more than a few professorships named after people. These are what are known of in academia as endowed chairs:
Thomas W. Gillespie, Ph.D., D.D.(Hon.), Th.D.(Hon.), D.Th.(Hon.), D.Phil.(Hon.)
President, and Professor of New Testament (Presbyterian)
James F. Armstrong, Ph.D.
Dean of Academic Affairs, and Helena Professor of Old Testament Language and Exegesis (Presbyterian)
Charles L. Bartow, Ph.D.
Carl and Helen Egner Professor of Speech Communication in Ministry (Presbyterian)
C. Clifton Black, Ph.D.
Otto A. Piper Professor of Biblical Theology (Methodist)
Brian K. Blount, Ph.D.
Professor of New Testament (Presbyterian)
Michael A. Brothers
Assistant Professor of Speech Communication in Ministry (Presbyterian)
Sally Ann Brown, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor of Preaching and Worship (Presbyterian)
Donald E. Capps, Ph.D., S.T.D. (Hon.)
William Harte Felmeth Professor of Pastoral Theology (Lutheran)
James H. Charlesworth, Ph.D.
George L. Collord Professor of New Testament Language and Literature (Methodist)
Ellen T. Charry, Ph.D.
Margaret W. Harmon Associate Professor of Systematic Theology (Episcopalian)
Stephen D. Crocco, Ph.D.
James Lenox Librarian (Presbyterian)
Kenda Creasy Dean, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Youth, Church and Culture Director, Tennent School of Christian Education (Methodist)
James C. Deming, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Modern European Church History (Presbyterian)
F.W. "Chip" Dobbs-Allsopp Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Old Testament (Presbyterian)
Nancy J. Duff, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Theological Ethics (Presbyterian)
Robert C. Dykstra, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Pastoral Theology (Presbyterian)
Abigail Rian Evans, Ph.D., L.H.D. (Hon.)
Charlotte W. Newcombe Professor of Practical Theology, and Academic Coordinator of Field Education (Presbyterian)
Richard K. Fenn, Ph.D.
Maxwell M. Upson Professor of Christianity and Society (Episcopalian)
Beverly Roberts Gaventa, Ph.D., D.D.(Hon.)
Helen H. P. Manson Professor of New Testament Literature and Exegesis (Presbyterian)
Nancy Lammers Gross, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Speech Communication in Ministry (Presbyterian)
Darrell L. Guder, Ph.D.
Henry Winters Luce Professor of Missional and Ecumenical Theology (Presbyterian)
Geddes W. Hanson, Ph.D.
Charlotte W. Newcombe Professor of Congregational Ministry (Presbyterian)
Scott H. Hendrix Dr. Theol.
James Hastings Nichols Professor of Reformation History and Doctrine (Lutheran)
Deborah van Deusen Hunsinger, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Pastoral Theology (United Church of Christ)
George Hunsinger, Ph.D.
Hazel Thompson McCord Professor of Systematic Theology (Presbyterian)
William Stacy Johnson Ph.D.
Arthur M. Adams Associate Professor of Systematic Theology (Presbyterian)
James F. Kay, Ph.D.
Joe R. Engle Professor of Homiletics and Liturgics (Presbyterian)
Jacqueline E. Lapsley, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor of Old Testament (Episcopalian)
Cleophus J. LaRue, Ph.D.
Francis Landey Patton Associate Professor of Homiletics (National Baptist)
Eunny Patricia Lee, M.Div.
Instructor in Old Testament (Presbyterian)
Sang Hyun Lee, Ph.D.
Kyung-Chik Han Professor of Systematic Theology, and Director of the Asian American Program (Presbyterian)
Bruce L. McCormack Ph.D.
Frederick and Margaret L. Weyerhaeuser Professor of Systematic Theology (Presbyterian)
Elsie Anne McKee, Ph.D.
Archibald Alexander Professor of Reformation Studies and the History of Worship (Presbyterian)
Kathleen E. McVey, Ph.D.
Joseph Ross Stevenson Professor of Church History (Roman Catholic)
Daniel L. Migliore, Ph.D., L.H.D. (Hon.)
Charles Hodge Professor of Systematic Theology (Presbyterian)
Gordon S. Mikoski, M.Div.
Instructor in Christian Education (Presbyterian)
John B. Faulkenberry Miller, M.Div.
Instructor in New Testament (Presbyterian)
Patrick D. Miller, Ph.D.
Charles T. Haley Professor of Old Testament Theology (Presbyterian)
James H. Moorhead, Ph.D.
Mary McIntosh Bridge Professor of American Church History (Presbyterian)
J. Randall Nichols, Ph.D.
Director of the D.Min. Program, and Lecturer in Theology and Communication (Presbyterian)
Dennis T. Olson, Ph.D.
Professor of Old Testament (Lutheran)
Richard R. Osmer, Ph.D.
Thomas W. Synnott Professor of Christian Education (Presbyterian)
Peter J. Paris, Ph.D., D.D.(Hon.)
Elmer G. Homrighausen Professor of Christian Social Ethics, and Liaison with the Princeton University Afro-American Studies Program (Baptist)
George Lewis Parsenios, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor of New Testament (Greek Orthodox)
Luis Rivera -Pagán, Ph.D.
Henry Winters Luce Professor of Ecumenics and Mission (Baptist)
J. J. M. Roberts, Ph.D.
William Henry Green Professor of Old Testament Literature (Church of Christ)
Paul E. Rorem, Ph.D.
Benjamin B. Warfield Professor of Medieval Church History (Lutheran)
Katharine Doob Sakenfeld, Ph.D.
William Albright Eisenberger Professor of Old Testament Literature and Exegesis, and Director of Ph.D. Studies (Presbyterian)
Kristin Emery Saldine, M.Div.
Minister of Chapel (Presbyterian)
Choon-Leong Seow, Ph.D.
Henry Snyder Gehman Professor of Old Testament Language and Literature (Presbyterian)
Max L. Stackhouse, Ph.D.
Stephen Colwell Professor of Christian Ethics (United Church of Christ)
John W. Stewart, Ph.D., D.D. (Hon.)
Ralph B. and Helen S. Ashenfelter Associate Professor of Ministry and Evangelism (Presbyterian)
Mark Lewis Taylor, Ph.D.
Professor of Theology and Culture (Presbyterian)
Martin Tel , D.M.A.
C. F. Seabrook Director of Music, and Lecturer in Church Music (Reformed)
J. Wentzel Vrede van Huyssteen, D.Th.
James I. McCord Professor of Theology and Science (Presbyterian)
J. Ross Wagner, Ph.D
Assistant Professor of New Testament (Methodist)
Richard Fox Young Ph.D.
Elmer K. and Ethel R. Timby Associate Professor of the History of Religions (Presbyterian)
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feelinahole
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| Posted 5/19/2004 8:10 PM (GMT -6) | | | Larris, OUCH! whats harder? Admitting you're wrong, or justifying it? | | Back to Top | | |
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PotOnWheel
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| Posted 5/20/2004 1:39 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Originally posted by larris
I tell you after knowing this now and going up and reading that first paragraph, I even laughed at myself. And I am reminded of the words of a very wise woman, who when an error in understaning was pointed out to her said: "NEVERMIND"
quote:
Remember the late Gilda Radner? And the character she played by the name of Emily Litella? Gilda (as Emily) would be a guest on the Weekend Update segment of Saturday Night Live!, and she'd rant on and on, spouting her complaints about some social ill. Eventually, Jane Curtain would have to forcefully interrupt her, and present some basic fact. Emily would quickly calm down, smile meekly, and say, "Never mind."
FOR MORE...
quote:
Oh, Elizabeth, I'm comin' to join you, honey!
From: Sanford & Son
Fred Sanford to Lamont.."No, no, no, you big Dummy, the other side."
From: Sanford and Son
"I could put your face in some dough and make me some gorilla cookies!" (Fred to Esther on Sanford and Son)
From: Sanford and Son
Fred Sanford to Aunt Ester: " You make me wish that birth control was retroactive"
From: Sanford and Son
Tony Minero (John Travolta): "Hey - watch the hair!"
From: Saturday Night Fever
Base-a-ball been very good to me.
From: Saturday Night Live
Jane, you ignorant slut.
From: Saturday Night Live
Mr. Bill: "Oh, no, not Sluggo! He hurts me!"
From: Saturday Night Live
Rosanne Rosanna Danna: "It's always something"
From: Saturday Night Live
I'm Chevy Chase, and you're not.
From: Saturday Night Live
No Coke. Pepsi.
From: Saturday Night Live
That's the news. Good night and have a pleasant tomorrow.
From: Saturday Night Live
No fries. Cheeps.
From: Saturday Night Live
Cheeseboogie! Cheeseboogie! Cheeseboogie!
From: Saturday Night Live
Well, that's different...never mind.
From: Saturday Night Live
He's dead, Jim.
From: Start Trek
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larris
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| Posted 5/20/2004 10:08 AM (GMT -6) | | John Earp: A cursory glance at the Princeton website reveals more than a few professorships named after people. These are what are known of in academia as endowed chairs:
Larris:"Well EXCUSE ME!!"
WHO out of the NORMAL universe would ever IMAGINE that ACADEMIAS would have CHAIRS named after PEOPLE????.
Call me OLD FASHIONED! But in my day a CHAIR was something you sat in and a NAME was something your Mommy and Daddy gave you when you popped out of the womb!
Why once we start letting ACADEMIAS change our words around like that, how in the world are we going to understand what each other are saying! No one will be able to communicate!
WHY IN THE WORLD all these ACADEMIAS are at Princeton University to BEGIN WITH!!????? And WHY all our good tax dollars are going to give them CHAIRS named after people?
ESPECIALLY WHY ARE WE LETTING THESE ACADEMIA TELL US WHAT TO DO???
Any person who would listen to one of these NUTS, must be NUTS!
I've been around LOT OF ACADEMIAS and I never heard them say even ONE THING like what YOU are saying!!
Like an ACADEMIAS going to say, "Could you please pass the salt, I haven’t got enough on me." Or an ACADEMIA screaming, "NO, NO don't EAT ME!!" Or and ACADEMIA say, "I'd really rather not be a part of that bread, because I prefer being a muffin!"LET ALONE hear an ACADEMIA say, "We want you to call that RECLINER over there FRED SIMPSON."
ACADEMIAS were made for eating NOT holding a conversation with, because NUTS DON'T TALK!
WHY, when men start letting their ACADEMIAS talk to them and order them around, the next thing you know the President will be letting his ACADEMIAS advise him on Domestic Policy or Homeland Security! And if that happens "WE'RE ALL DOOMED!"
PotOnWheel: Larris, excuse me, you misunderstood what John Earp said. He said, Academia not Macademia. You are thinking he was referring to "Macademia Nuts".
Larris: OH. I'm Sorry John
"Never mind"
larris
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John Earp
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| Posted 5/20/2004 10:42 AM (GMT -6) | | Hi Larris,
It was definitely not my intent to make you feel stupid. Indeed, your response to my comments is entirely within your power; I have no ability to control your emotions ("make you feel") one way or the other.
I was simply pointing out that you were wrong. As I'm sure you know, wrong and stupid are not necessarily related.
As to "unChristian like and mean," I didn't realize pointing out that someone was bearing false witness against another was "unChristian like and mean." You were simply wrong about the facts, and were accusing a respected evangelical scholar of some pretty serious crimes and sin.
If I were making such a humongous and absurd error as you were, I would definitely want someone to point it out to me, and I certainly wouldn't attack the messenger. I was simply trying to shed light on this issue for you. Odd that that would upset you. Would you rather I had said nothing and allowed you to just continue to misrepresent the truth?
"There is not sadder sight in the world than to see a beautiful theory killed by brutal fact. T.H. Huxley
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John Earp
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| Posted 5/20/2004 10:56 AM (GMT -6) | | From dictionary.com:
Chair:
1. A piece of furniture consisting of a seat, legs, back, and often arms, designed to accommodate one person.
2. A seat of office, authority, or dignity, such as that of a bishop.
3. a. An office or position of authority, such as a professorship.
b. A person who holds an office or a position of authority, such as one who presides over a meeting or administers a department of instruction at a college; a chairperson.
c. The position of a player in an orchestra.
Consider yourself somewhat more educated today than you were yesterday, larris. 
"The Discovery of new truth will modify old views and opinions, and there is perhaps no end to this process with finite minds in any world." Charles G. Finney, Systematic Theology.
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John Earp
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larris
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| Posted 5/20/2004 4:40 PM (GMT -6) | | Sincere and serious I am in my initial post, However I would have hoped you would know I was PUTTING YOU ON regarding “academia nuts”.
I sincerely apologize to you John, I was NOT attacking you, and I was simply making fun of myself and my absurd error. Therefore I sincerely APOLOGIZE, for unintentionally leading you to think that I really thought you were being mean, for I thought no such thing. And in truth I thought your first post was extremely kind and also had a hint of sympathy for seeing someone embarrass themselves with such and error. The only other time I came to such public embarrassment was when I was walking down a busy street in Milwaukee Wisconsin with the back of my dress caught in the waist of my pantyhose with my rear hanging out there for all to see, and I couldn’t figure out why all the cars were honking.
Again please accept my sincere apology, and I edited the piece.
I certainly am, more educated now in that I know I was referring to TWO individuals instead of ONE. And I already knew that a "chair" is a seat of authority et. However I did not know that they removed the word "chair" and gave it a “persons name“. When you say "Bruce M. Metzger is George L. Collard Professor of...." Unless one has learned the "academic" jargon, one would automatically think Metzger was a pen name, and Collord was the real name of the individual. In the definition you gave from the dictionary, it said nothing about the "chair", having the name of a "person". This is something an average person would rarely know about. And I bet their are LOTS of kids who start out in college that never heard of such a thing.
I wonder how many kids started college got instructions and the name of the teachers of the classes and then read:
Charles L. Bartow, Ph.D.
Carl and Helen Egner Professor of Speech Communication in Ministry (Presbyterian)
And then thought they had THREE teachers teaching that class? Probably more than you think! IF I read somewhere a book by Charles L. Bartow and then see a statement in the back of the book that says “Charles L. Bartow Ph.D. is Carl and Helen Egner what am I to think unless I know the ACADEMIC IDIOMATIC ANTI-PERSONIFICATION GIVEN A PROPER NAME OF A PERSON AND TURNED INTO A PERSONIFICATION. (i.e. a word particular to academia that represents a person as thing and a thing as a person.) I mean it’s really pretty ironic in general.
Again though my apology to you John.
However I do not apologize for saying that these men teach false defaming things about God’s Word. And if they can “dish it out” which they do, in making accusations of others, then they ought to be able to take it in return. After all it wasn’t me that said anyone who gives a more literal or futuristic interpretation to Revelation is like David Khoresh. That was your fine Professor Charlesworth!
And it wasn’t me that used the old marketing strategy of coming up with your own phony science called “Modern Textual Criticism”, just to prove the other product most people were buying was inferior to your new product so that the people would buy it (buy it both literally and figuratively.) For the purpose of MAKING MONEY to finance the World Council of Churches and push idolatrous inter-faith ecumenical unity among ALL Religions though the take over of Christian education.
I’m not a KJV ONLY advocate. Nor am I of the persuasion that if the KJV was good enough for Paul it’s good enough for me (I am putting you on there by the way.) Nor do I think the KJV is inerrant. But I know when I'm being lied to and hood winked and that is what I believe these kinds of men are doing to people.
In the love of Christ,
larris
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John Earp
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| Posted 5/20/2004 4:44 PM (GMT -6) | | No offense taken, larris. No apology necessary. Glad we got that cleared up. Now that I look at your post again with Gilda Radner in mind, it makes comical sense. Sorry I missed that the first time.
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| Posted 5/20/2004 10:42 PM (GMT -6) | | | Larris, I don't know why you are so prolifically apologizing. So what if you got things mixed up. Fact is, most of the people here *ARE* rude... always have been, always will be, and they did respond to you rudely and in a condescending manner. They can apologize out the butt all they want, but they always go back to their rudeness. Like a dog going back to its vomit, and they LOVE pointing out other's wrongs. Get used to it. | | Back to Top | | |
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ataraxia
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| Posted 5/20/2004 11:56 PM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Originally posted by User2004
Larris, I don't know why you are so prolifically apologizing. So what if you got things mixed up. Fact is, most of the people here *ARE* rude... always have been, always will be, and they did respond to you rudely and in a condescending manner. They can apologize out the butt all they want, but they always go back to their rudeness. Like a dog going back to its vomit, and they LOVE pointing out other's wrongs. Get used to it.
I honestly don't know why you keep coming back (Bob, Bobbie, groovy chick, Johnson, stpaulrez, Christian, seesaw, ohboy, lastly, etc.). Since you find most here vomitously offensive and incorrigibly rude, don't return. It was agreed that you may return if you were able to conduct yourself courteously and without incident. That means you'd change your style so drastically no one would be able to guess it's you. I guessed after one post.
Please respect the administration and don't return.
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