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PotOnWheel
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Posted 7/19/2004 5:22 PM (GMT -6)

64.41.85.63/AR/R245.html

Sahid
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Posted 7/19/2004 7:06 PM (GMT -6)

The language was pretty heavy, so I may have missed something, but of the six preconceptions listed, I admit to zero. In fact I affirm the opposite of each. I am not a self-avowed literalist. And if someone was to call me a fundamentalist, I would almost consider it an insult. POW, you may want to re-read the fifth preconception listed. If I understand it correctly, you have been arguing for this very thing on the baptism topic.

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PotOnWheel
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Posted 7/20/2004 1:47 AM (GMT -6)

Sahid, I will go read "the fifth." But I want to (re)assure you that my posting this link was purely a product of knowing you are heading off to seminary and have a place in your imagination for history -- I thought you'd find them interesting. (Which you seem to have.) :)

PotOnWheel
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Posted 7/20/2004 1:54 AM (GMT -6)

quote:
Originally posted by Sahid

POW, you may want to re-read the fifth preconception listed. If I understand it correctly, you have been arguing for this very thing on the baptism topic.

This one?

quote:
--If you exalt will over mind, as the (then termed) "modernist" philosophy that Luther embraced did, you will read various verses very differently from those who think that only a will subject to reason can "intend" anything. Virtual reality will be on the table; with Luther, you will insist that Salvation is virtual (imputed) righteousness.

Nope.

BTW -- The site is set up by a retired Am. who taught langages at the Berlin Politechnic (Ger.). He brings a lot of background knowledge. There is a lot of challenging stuff on his site (but not much webdesign Shock

).

BTW2 -- I'm not trying to convince you of anything, as that is your own business and not mine. I'm just enjoying this and finding it useful for digesting material that I would anyways. And the vacationing teacher in me might account for any agreesive annoyance you might occassionally feel, as I presume to offer stretch-worthy material when I find it. Hope that's OK.

- PoW

Sahid
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Posted 7/20/2004 10:14 PM (GMT -6)

quote:
--If you exalt will over mind, as the (then termed) "modernist" philosophy that Luther embraced did, you will read various verses very differently from those who think that only a will subject to reason can "intend" anything. Virtual reality will be on the table; with Luther, you will insist that Salvation is virtual (imputed) righteousness.

So are you saying that you exalt the mind over the will? Didn't you say that infants "choose" baptism? Is their will subject to reason? I thought you said will didn't necessarily mean deliberative choosing.

Watch me fly. Freedom like wings and I will use them. Freedom like wings and I will spread them wide. - Stavesacre

PotOnWheel
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Posted 7/21/2004 3:36 AM (GMT -6)

Sahid:

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Posted - 07/21/2004 : 03:14:19 AM

Notice I said that is was from the complex of webpages linked at the top. A quote from the same guy, and connected to the sorts of comparative charts he provided. (very scholarly)

You can't just take the words and make what you want from them. (Or, early in the morning you can. Sleepy

Sahid
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Posted 7/31/2004 11:08 PM (GMT -6)

quote:
Originally posted by PotOnWheel

Sahid:

quote:
Posted - 07/21/2004 : 03:14:19 AM

Notice I said that is was from the complex of webpages linked at the top. A quote from the same guy, and connected to the sorts of comparative charts he provided. (very scholarly)

You can't just take the words and make what you want from them. (Or, early in the morning you can.

I work second and sometimes third shift. I sleep from 5am to noon. What was that supposed to say? Maybe you need more sleep.

Watch me fly. Freedom like wings and I will use them. Freedom like wings and I will spread them wide. - Stavesacre

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