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PotOnWheel
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   Posted 7/21/2004 7:25 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
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Perhaps the greatest heresy of all time, Antinomianism preaches that souls are saved only by God's grace... and so there's absolutely no reason to refrain from every imaginable vice and sin.

http://www.rotten.com/library/religion/heresy/antinomianism/

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Many of Luther's students argued in favor of Antinomianism, but Luther himself vigorously refuted the notion. Still, it was a difficult row to hoe. Luther wanted to throw out the entire sin-penalty-forgiveness structure of the church, not just the indulgences but the sacrament of confession and the notion of earthly penance as well.

It was easy enough to toss the baby of sin out with the bathwater of penance. If you were dispensing with the earthly auspices of a religious-criminal justice system, why not simply call an end to the notion of sins and Hell altogether?

While Luther drew the line at Antinomianism, other Protestant sects did not. One of Luther's students was Johann Agricola, who believed that Christians were exempt from following the 10 Commandments.

Luther actually coined the word "Antinomianism" to describe Agricola's beliefs. Luther eventually pressured Agricola into recanting his heresy, but after Luther's death, he picked up right where he had left off ("lying" is in one of the 10 Commandments, after all).

Puritanism and Antinomianism went hand in hand, much like "repressed" and "pervert." As the staunchly Protestant Puritans staked out their ground in the New World, they brought their own subversive countermovement along for the ride.

The last of history's great Antinomians was Anne Hutchinson, a Puritan woman who resembled many of her Antinomian predecessors in that she talked a good game, but led a remarkably chaste and seemingly wholesome life. At least, that's the verdict of history. The fact that she had fifteen children should tell you something about her proclivities.

Hutchinson taught that God couldn't care less whether his people sinned, that there was no rule of law for Christians, and that Christians were not obligated to pray. Known as the "American Jezebel," Hutchison's major claim to fame was her trial and conviction for Antinomian heresy, which led to her banishment from the Puritan settlement near modern-day Boston in 1638.

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feelinahole
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   Posted 7/21/2004 8:02 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Excellant article POW! Describes most of the Christians I know (or at least how they view their faith).
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   Posted 7/22/2004 10:55 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
POW,

Luther believed and was prepared to die for his understanding that sinners are saved by grace alone. The antinomians believed that grace was license to disregard the law, hence the name anti noma-law. Luther strongly beleived in the law, however, and that it had a place in Christianity. His small and large catachism both go through the 10 commandments and explain the difference between the ceremonial (set aside) and moral laws (still in effect)of God.

Luther believed that the manifestation of grace at work in a person's life was keeping the laws of God naturally because our heart desires this now. Those that disobey are manifesting that they do not believe the gospel and that grace isn't acting in their lives. They are expressing unbelief in the gospel of God.

This concept of law and gospel was extremely strong with Luther. Luther believed that the law's purpose was to break sinners with its impossible demands so that they would be fertile soil for the gospel, the message of unmerited favor and salvation from God. Those who accepted this gift would, because of gratitude towards God for His grace, not be capable of breaking the moral laws because that would be inconsistent with the grace that they had embraced.

Saving faith was expressed in works and obedience to the moral law.


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feelinahole
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   Posted 7/23/2004 5:33 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I wonder how this view works itself out in the theology of many Christians?
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PotOnWheel
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   Posted 7/23/2004 5:49 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
And I wonder how many grandma Lutherans and Bapstists have a balanced, biblical understanding of "synergy" (us working with God and God working with us, in the way that the Bible speaks of this); all the while the theologians overcomplicating, overpoliticizing, ultimately confusing the issue?

Blessed be those who pray for their grandkids.
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spenlake
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   Posted 7/23/2004 6:23 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
And I wonder if the miracle-working, prophesying, demon-casting "many" in Matt 7:21 considered themselves antinomian when Jesus damned them for practicing lawlessness?


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feelinahole
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   Posted 7/23/2004 6:40 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I would have you explain as well Spenlake. The more I read scripture, the more I recognize the Bible portraying God expecting man to do his part, that salvation is a cooporative effort that God instituted and we must do our part if it is to succeed. We are called to be holy, to love, to not sin...and to choose to follow God.
BTW, Spen, the verse you quote has Jesus saying in verse 24, "Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice..." again, God gives and man must do his part.
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spenlake
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   Posted 7/23/2004 6:45 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
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Originally posted by PotOnWheel

I don't know what you mean, Spen. But the grandmothers know about sin.


I don't disagree with what you are stating. My comments are not in opposition to you post but in addition to it. Lawlessness and antinomianism (anti-law) seem to be connected. The "many" were practicing lawlessness even while doing supernatural stuff in the name of Christ. There must be "sin" there as they were not known by their Lord and were damned. It seems that the sin itself was practicing lawlessness.

1 Jn 3:4, "Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness."

John also states, "Beloved, now we are children of God, and it has not appeared as yet what we will be. We know that when He appears, we will be like Him, because we will see Him just as He is. And everyone who has this hope fixed on Him purifies himself, just as He is pure." When Jesus appears in Matt 7 the "many" do not become "like Him" but are damned. To me this means that they were not children of God but they were of their father the devil though they were doing miracles in the name of Jesus.

Does this help explain what I mean?


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   Posted 7/23/2004 7:05 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Good. You guys agree.

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