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Originally posted by Sahid

When someone writes what I feel to be a false statement on the discussion board, I don't think it's unreasonable (or unpretty) to respond to that specific statement.

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Originally posted by feelinahole

Sahid: I agree with you. It is nonsense...

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Originally posted by PotOnWheel

Sorry, sometimesisquint. This thread has NEVER been for me about whether suffering impassibly is "logically coherent."

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When Christians (like St. Athanasias did) say that Christ "SUFFERED IMPASSIBLY" they are not spouting nonsense!

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Such a question is anachronistic...

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But I BEGAN with a time honored and adademically central phrase...

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Why you personally don't notice that is a mystery. Bye.

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Originally posted by PotOnWheel

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...the Apostle himself said, `Christ then having suffered,' not in His Godhead, but `for us in the flesh,' that these affections may be acknowledged as, not proper to the very Word by nature, but proper by nature to the very flesh.

Let no one then stumble at what belongs to man, but rather let a man know that in nature the Word Himself is impassible, and yet because of that flesh which He put on, these things are ascribed to Him, since they are proper to the flesh, and the body itself is proper to the Saviour. And while He Himself, being impassible in nature, remains as He is, not harmed by these affections, but rather obliterating and destroying them, men, their passions as if changed and abolished in the Impassible, henceforth become themselves also impassible and free from them for ever. . .

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My opinion is that it is fine to post such a view a few times per person. But all the while the thread makes no progress.

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I'm not trying to construct a string of logic. I'm trying to grow in Christ.

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"Becoming man, therefore, Christ

does not simply lower himself

to our estate, but raises us

up to his stuature."

(Behr)

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Originally posted by PotOnWheel

Squint is blocked--

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...he didn't respect my request.

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He gave no indication that I should trust him.

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Offer charity.

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When considering what is meant in the 300's in Alexandria Egypt, WHO CARES what some guys a continent away, a thousand years later, a culture and a language removed did???

'Cinocentrism' (belief that "we are the center of the world") in European cutlure, while you are at it!

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Ask good questions.

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Your post does not rise to the level of interacting what I really posted. Sleeeeeeepppp will bring renewed objectivity, John.

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No, I don't plan to "help out" anybody.

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Sahid, frankly, you just have to do a better job of reading what is here already. What can I say. Its too frustrating to perceive that you want someone else to do your work for you. (It sounds whiney.)

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He's not happy now. But he has only begun to catch on.

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As for you, you strike me, on the surface of things here, as being a bit obsessive about how other people have to think and express. also, you strike me as being someone who maybe took some classes in a dead language or two, but not much in the way of being bi-lingual or tr-lingal, or having an linguistics background. Seems that way because you are prepared to tell other people how they have to express things.

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So, moving on beyond whether some people have no good taste in poetry, or approach languages more like arithmatic problems than a social science -- that is all not worth a second look

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You are heading off for seminary. Make an education of it, not a monument to yourself and your preferences.
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And start contributing something to this thread too!
Homework before your next post:
1. What are some verses having to do with... gaining freedom from the bondage of sin?
2. What are some verses having to do with... surrendering to Christ's lordship?
3. What are some verses having to do with... being transformed inwardly and outwardly?

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No, that was gallows humour, in the face of rudeness.

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Sorry, you came to class unprepared.

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And that one may attain to a more exact knowledge of the impassibility of the Word's nature and of the infirmities ascribed to Him because of the flesh, it will be well to listen to the blessed Peter; for he will be a trustworthy witness concerning the Saviour. He writes then in his Epistle thus; `Christ then having suffered for us in the flesh.' Therefore also when He is said to hunger and thirst and to toil and not to know, and to sleep, and to weep, and to ask, and to flee, and to be born, and to deprecate the cup, and in a word to undergo all that belongs to the flesh, let it be said, as is congruous, in each case `Christ then hungering and thirsting "for us in the flesh;"' and saying `He did not know, and being buffeted, and toiling "for us in the flesh;"' and `being exalted too, and born, and growing "in the flesh;"' and `fearing and hiding "in the flesh;"' and `saying, "If it be possible let this cup pass from Me," and being beaten, and receiving, "for us in the flesh;"' and in a word all such things `for us in the flesh.' For on this account has the Apostle himself said, `Christ then having suffered,' not in His Godhead, but `for us in the flesh,' that these affections may be acknowledged as, not proper to the very Word by nature, but proper by nature to the very flesh.

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On the Incarnation of the Word, 18

1. Accordingly, when inspired writers on this matter speak of Him as eating and being born, understand that the body, as body, was born, and sustained with food corresponding to its nature, while God, the Word Himself, Who was united with the body, while ordering all things, also by the works He did in the body shewed Himself to be not man, but God the Word. But these things are said of Him, because the actual body which ate, was born, and suffered, belonged to none other but to the Lord: and because, having become man, it was proper for these things to be predicated of Him as man, to shew Him to have a body in truth, and not in seeming.

2. But just as from these things He was known to be bodily present, so from the works He did in the body He made Himself known to be Son of God.

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Oration Against Arians, III.

33. ...for if the works of the Word's Godhead had not taken place through the body, man had not been deified; and again, had not the properties of the flesh been ascribed to the Word, man had not been thoroughly delivered from them; but though they had ceased for a little while, as I said before, still sin had remained in him and corruption, as was the case with mankind before Him; and for this reason:-Many for instance have been made holy and dean from all sin; nay, Jeremiah was hallowed even from the womb, and John, while yet in the womb, leapt for joy at the voice of Mary Bearer of God; nevertheless `death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression;' and thus man remained mortal and corruptible as before, liable to the affections proper to their nature. But now the Word having become man and having appropriated what pertains to the flesh, no longer do these things touch the body, because of the Word who has come in it, but they are destroyed by Him, and henceforth men no longerremain sinners and dead according to their proper affections, but having risen according to the Word's power, they abide ever immortal and incorruptible. Whence also, whereas the flesh is born of Mary Bearer of God, He Himself is said to have been born, who furnishes to others an origin of being; in order that He may transfer our origin into Himself, and we may no longer, as mere earth, return to earth, but as being knit into the Word from heaven, may be carded to heaven by Him. Therefore in like manner not without reason has He transferred to Himself the other affections of the body also; that we, no longer as being men, but as proper to the Word, may have share in eternal life. For no longer according to our former origin in Adam do we die; but henceforward our origin and all infirmity of flesh being transferred to the Word, we rise from the earth, the curse from sin being removed, because of Him who is in us, and who has become a curse for us. And with reason; for as we are all from earth and die in Adam, so being regenerated from above of water and Spirit, in the Christ we are all quickened; the flesh being no longer earthly, but being henceforth made Word, by reason of God's Word who for our sake `became flesh.'

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Oration Against Arians, III.

32. Whence it was that, when the flesh suffered, the Word was not external to it; and therefore is the passion said to be His: and when He did divinely His Father's works, the flesh was not external to Him, but in the body itself did the Lord do them. Hence, when made man, He said, `If I do not the works of the Father, believe Me not; but if I do, though ye believe not Me, believe the works, that ye may know that the Father is in He and I in Him.' And thus when there was need to raise Peter's wife's mother, who was sick of a fever, He stretched forth His hand humanly, but He stopped the illness divinely. And in the case of the man blind from the birth, human was the spittle which He gave forth from the flesh, but divinely did He open the eyes through the clay. And in the case of Lazarus, He gave forth a human voice as man; but divinely, as God, did He raise Lazarus from the dead. These things were so done, were so manifested, because He had a body, not in appearance, but in truth; and it became the Lord, in putting on human flesh, to put it on whole with the affections proper to it; that, as we say that the body was His own, so also we may say that the affections of the body were proper to Him alone, though they did not touch Him according to His Godhead. If then the body had been another's, to him too had been the affections attributed; but if the flesh is theWord's (for `the Word became flesh'), of necessity then the affections also of the flesh are ascribed to Him, whose the flesh is. And to whom the affections are ascribed, such namely as to be condemned, to be scourged, to thirst, and the cross, and death, and the other infirmities of the body, of Him too is the triumph and the grace. For this cause then, consistently and fittingly such affections are ascribed not to another, but to the Lord; that the grace also may be from Him. ...

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