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Michael111
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   Posted 8/2/2004 10:08 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
The bible

It is a book containing the knowledge of good and evil.

The forbidden fruit was not an apple. The fruit of a tree is also paper. And upon the pages of the bible is the knowledge of good and evil. The bible is poisoned with the knowledge of evil.

Ritualistic animal sacrifices, ceremonies incorporating the blood of dead animals, superstitious numbers, curses, evil spirits, dark prophecies... all in the bible.

Plotting, conspiracy, mass-murder, betrayal, genocide, slavery, suffering, wars... all in the bible.

A book is not 'Holy' if it contains the knowledge of evil, Satan, the devil, demons...

It is darkness. It is contaminated. It is unclean. It is poison.

Religion is the church of the poison mind. Minds poisoned by the knowledge of evil. People are deceived by religion.

The kingdom of God is within us all. Not within the pages of a book containing the knowledge of evil. I have recently shut it for good. I will not touch, nor taste of it again.

Because of Jesus Christ, I'm back in the land of the living. I've torn off my fig-leaf, and am returning to Eden. I am who God made me to be. The shame, guilt, and confusion is past-tense.

Thank You Jesus.

The Tree of Life = Jesus Christ

Eat freely from this tree and be saved.

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"Imagine" - John Lennon

Imagine there's no heaven, It's easy if you try, No hell below us, Above us only sky, Imagine all the people living for today...

Imagine there's no countries, It isnt hard to do, Nothing to kill or die for, No religion too, Imagine all the people living life in peace...

Imagine no possesions, I wonder if you can, No need for greed or hunger, A brotherhood of man, Imagine all the people Sharing all the world...

You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one, I hope some day you'll join us, And the world will live as one.

Jesus is the answer!

Michael111
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billzbob
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   Posted 8/2/2004 10:16 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
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rossfadeinout
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   Posted 8/2/2004 10:45 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Michael 111,

I'm confused, how did you learn about Jesus Christ? The only reliable record of his teaching is found in the Bible, is it not?

Peace,
Ross


"Let us remember how common the folly is of going from one faulty extreme into the opposite." -Thomas Reid

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quest for truth
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   Posted 8/2/2004 2:29 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
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The bible

It is a book containing the knowledge of good and evil.


On the other hand...

The bible

It is a book of narration, of poetry, of love stories, of heroric acts. It is a book with mystery, a book of history, a book of law, and filled with music. It is a book with both fiction and nonfiction stories included.

It is a book full of giving, of love, of truth and liberty, of freedom, of equality, of hope, of faith. In the bible you will read the greatest love story ever written. (And I gotta tell you brother, I am a sucker for a good love story!) Jesus is the prince that saves us, the victims, from the evil villain. Our hero lays down his life because of his enormous, outrageous love for his bride. I read this beautiful narrative in the BIBLE.


- - - - - - - - - - - -
"I Can Only Imagine" MercyMe

I can only imagine
What it will be like
When I walk
By Your side
I can only imagine
What my eyes will see
When Your face
Is before me
I can only imagine

{Chorus}:
Surrounded by Your glory, what will my heart feel
Will I dance for You Jesus or in awe of You be still
Will I stand in Your presence or to my knees will I fall
Will I sing hallelujah, will I be able to speak at all
I can only imagine

I can only imagine
When that day comes
And I find myself
Standing in the Son
I can only imagine
When all I will do
Is forever
Forever worship You
I can only imagine


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GregBoyd
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   Posted 8/3/2004 4:38 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Dude (or dudess), if you're not being sarcastic, I'm inclined to think you're really onto something profound. But you're misplacing the problem. The problem's not the Bible, for we need to know about "Satan, the devil, demons," etc.. We need to kow about "animal sacrifices...curses, evil spirits," etc... We need to know about "mass-murder, betrayal, genocide" etc... We don't live in la la land down here.

The problem is not in Bible. The problem is that WE THINK WE'RE GOD and thus can draw definitive conclusions about people regarding "good and evil." We've eaten from the forbidden tree, and the result is judgmental religion. The answer is not to pretend that evil doesn't exist (and throw out the bible that says it does). The answer is to mimic Jesus on Calvary and sacrificially love all people at all time without condition. The only solution to evil is THIS KIND OF LOVE.

If it wasn't for the holy Bible, we'd never know about such a thing. Thank GOD for it. Don't throw it out!!!!

Greg


"The responsibility is with the chooser -- God is blameless." Plato, Republic, 10.

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quest for truth
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   Posted 8/3/2004 10:58 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Michael111
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Religion is the church of the poison mind. Minds poisoned by the knowledge of evil. People are deceived by religion.

The kingdom of God is within us all. Not within the pages of a book containing the knowledge of evil. I have recently shut it for good. I will not touch, nor taste of it again.

I agree with Greg Boyd, it is NOT the bible that is poisoned, it is religion and the people who are trying to get life by eating of the knowledge of good and evil. I agree with you the Kingdom of God is within us but the bible can guide us, with the Holy Spirit, to learn truth and receive life. Our spirit is ministered to through taking in the wisdom and life found in the bible. Don't let those who abuse or misuse the bible to steer you away from it. We are imperfect creatures that fall short and can try to find life through religion but life is found in the Word made flesh -- Jesus Christ. We learn about Jesus Christ through his Word -- the bible.


Michael111
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Because of Jesus Christ, I'm back in the land of the living. I've torn off my fig-leaf, and am returning to Eden. I am who God made me to be. The shame, guilt, and confusion is past-tense.

I found this part that you wrote to be so beautiful! Jesus Christ is indeed the way, truth, and life! As Rossfadeinout stated, we learn of the person of Jesus Christ through the bible. We learn that our shame, guilt, and confusion are past-tense because we are now a new creation through Christ. We learn that we are accepted and loved. We are made white as snow through Christ's passion and resurrection. We learn how to love through the life of Jesus.


Greg Boyd
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The answer is to mimic Jesus on Calvary and sacrificially love all people at all time without condition. The only solution to evil is THIS KIND OF LOVE.

AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!

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lock
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   Posted 8/5/2004 7:19 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Michael-
Remember that God has used the greatest evil ever committed in the world's history (Jesus' death on the cross) to reconcile us all to Him. Also God took the worst sinner (Paul) and used him to declare God's grace and mercy to us gentiles. You have heard the evangel and you believe Jesus died and rose again, that's what gentiles had in the days of Paul before the New Testament was put together. God has control over all and He uses the evil in the world to humble us (Eccl 1:13 and the book of Job). All is from God, which He uses for the good of those who love Him.

But, Paul did tell Timothy to "study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needs not be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth" (2 Timothy 2:15). Be careful not to be tossed to and fro by every wind of doctrine, since you would not have anything to compare it against. I trust that God is taking you through this experience to bring you closer to Him and His love.

God bless.

lock


His achievement are we, being created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God makes ready beforehand, that we should be walking in them.

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Sahid
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   Posted 8/7/2004 9:35 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
If our aim is to avoid knowledge of evil, we should never get out of bed in the morning.


Watch me fly. Freedom like wings and I will use them. Freedom like wings and I will spread them wide. - Stavesacre

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