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Wislawa
05/06/01 10:19 PM
How does God heal?
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So here is a potential misconception that I think I might have ferreted out of my theology concerning the problem of evil. I don’t understand how God can heal someone. I’m not talking about physical miracles where someone’s broken leg gets healed or something. I’m talking about the wounds that evil leaves. It seems to me that if those of us who have embraced open theism take God’s relationship to time seriously it poses some problems for how he might heal people wounded by evil. Some things just can’t be undone. Some things really do only move in one direction. God may be able to dump blessings on someone, cover the past up, like he did to Job. But he will never be able to make it not have happened in the first place. If this is healing it seems to be able to only go so far. I am asking because I have serious doubts that we will ever recover from this life. “The one great God has abandoned us to days,” says St. Annie. Days only move in one direction. Wounds can be covered up but they’ll never go away.
Bmlooderish and bandaidmished
—Wislawa
Posted Originally From: Open Theism Information Site
glamdring777
05/07/01 11:26 PM
with love and truth
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Wislawa,
I don't think that healing entails making it as though the wounding never happened. But I do think healing goes beyond just pouring blessing on top of the woundedness. What I have found to be true is that once we are wounded we continue to suffer from it until we have healing. When the healing comes the suffering is over, even if we still have a memory of it. For instance if you were abused as a child it could have caused you to take up certain damaging beliefs about yourself and about God. If you were then to meet God and receive his love and truth the strongholds in your life held in place by those erroneous beliefs are torn down. You could be set free.
I have seen people healed spiritually in such a way that their whole belief systems are revolutionized.
We will not only recover
we will take part in a glory that makes the suffering of this world seem insignificant.
glam
Posted Originally From: Christus Victor Ministries
robkat
05/12/01 3:24 PM
RE: How does God heal?
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I think that God heals in mysterious ways. However, at times it feels as though you might get close to healing one wound and another one happens and the proccess is started all over again. When we start healing the wound and another one appears we need to remember to keep our faith alive and stand back up. And like you said it may be covered up but the memory always seems to stick around.
Posted Originally From: Christus Victor Ministries
pneumatika
05/13/01 6:15 PM
Why doesn't God heal more?
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If God is omnibenevolent and He can mess with some things (what Boyd calls nudging), why doesn't He heal all the time? Unless you believe that God never heals, how can the OV God be justified in not healing everyone at all times?
This isn't a matter of simple "influence" in the world...these are "creative" miracles when the physical laws are intervened upon. How is this possible without violating the concept of omnibenevolence?
--that Pneumatika guy
Posted Originally From: Christus Victor Ministries
Kassiopeia
05/14/01 3:37 AM
RE: How does God heal?
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Yo Wislawa,
Once you find out let me know too.
I'm really with you on the "you can't undo a thing" Even in the middle of the glories of heaven that guy still raped you, the divorce still happened, the baby still died. I really don't care if it stands small in comparison to infinity. It's still there.
Kass
Posted Originally From: Christus Victor Ministries
trosie
05/14/01 8:25 AM
RE: Why doesn't God heal more?
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pneumatika asks: "how can the OV God be justified in not healing everyone at all times?"
I would like to respond to this by sharing a struggle I had that I believe fits with this. A while back I was seeking a way to come to some type of understanding of what the word "favor" in the bible meant. I decided to ask several different people, whom I respect, why it is that God chooses SOMETIMES to show His favor (or His healing in this case) but not always. Did it mean that He cares about some more than others? The bottom line (the general consensus) that I found through the various responses received from my question was that we need to look at the BIG picture. In the open view God may not know every detail about the future, until the free agents make their choices, but He does know the overall picture. Even though there are MANY times that God heals people physically or emotionally in response to prayer, not every person who has faith receives healing when prayed over -- what's up with that? There are several reasons to this but one big reason to the reason why God doesn't ALWAYS heal people is because He knows infinitely beyond what we can finitely comprehend -- He knows the "big picture".
The one thing I am absolutely confident of is that God is good ALL the time! He is working for the best even when it doesn't seem to be the case.
trosie <><
Posted Originally From: Christus Victor Ministries
MrIndifference
05/15/01 3:05 PM
How does God heal?
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"God may be able to dump blessings on someone, cover the past up, like he did to Job. But he will never be able to make it not have happened in the first place."
Even when we are healed the scars remain. Remember how Jesus Himself showed Thomas the scars/holes in his hands. I personally believe that the scars that we have and how we deal with them can add to the saltiness that we as christians are supposed to have. If God removed the scars and all evedence of what the damage caused that God had to heal, then how would our past experience benefit our neighbors. Those scars and how they have been delt with are the proof of what God has done for us and are some of the tools that we can present to God to use to Glorify Him and to draw others to Him. Also if God removed all evedence of wounds then He might as well have changed all the rules from the beginning and never let hurt happen in the first place. And while He was at it, He might as well just make a bunch of automitons instead of mankind. I hope that came out right.
MrIndifference :|
Posted Originally From: Christus Victor Ministries
glamdring777
05/16/01 7:34 AM
RE: How does God heal?
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Kass your post reminds me of the one on the womens ministry thread by Wislawa. I wonder if some people who read it were so distracted by the non politically correct language that their brains misfired and they misunderstood it. I thought it was right on and fit the thread perfectly, but I'm not so sure about your word choice on this thread.
You could have used words to get your point across that were less graphic than 'rape' and 'dead babies'. Especially when we are on a thread dealing with woundedness and you just stated that you think healing only goes so far. With that belief don't you think it is possible that all the walking wounded out there that were affected by the particular tragedies you mentioned were re-assoiciated to their pain by your words and rewounded? I'm with Mr Indifference. The scars remain yes, but healing can be complete. Press on.
glamdring
Posted Originally From: Christus Victor Ministries
Kassiopeia
05/23/01 1:55 PM
RE: RE: How does God heal?
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Huh??
I think my brain just mis-fired.
Posted Originally From: Christus Victor Ministries
trosie
05/23/01 2:40 PM
RE: RE: RE: How does God heal?
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Hey Kassiopeia:
That little icon robot thingy is SO COOL! How did you get it???
Posted Originally From: Christus Victor Ministries
Kassiopeia
05/25/01 3:00 PM
RE: RE: RE: RE: How does God heal?
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Trosie,
The answer to your question--http://mysmilies.com
Have fun. Be cool.
Posted Originally From: Christus Victor Ministries
trosie
05/26/01 5:56 PM
Smiley Faces
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Kassiopeia:
I am wondering if you could help me out a little more in figuring out how to take a smiley icon from the web site address you gave and display it on this message board? I have been trying for a while this afternoon to do this but have been unsuccessful. I would appreciate it.
They look so COOL ,
trosie
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