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chance
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| Posted 8/3/2001 11:13 AM (GMT -6) |   | Romans 11:15 says
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Romans 11:15 For if their being cast away [is] the reconciling of the world, what [will] their acceptance [be] but life from the dead?
When do you believe this casting away took place?
chance
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Bob Hill
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| Posted 8/26/2001 9:14 PM (GMT -6) | | Chance,
We must always remember a Jewish principle. 1 Co 1:22 For Jews request a sign, and Greeks seek after wisdom. In spite of all the signs God gave them, Israel rejected God and was set aside. I believe this happened in Acts 7.
Please read Acts 7:51-56 You stiff necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears! You always resist the Holy Spirit; as your fathers did, so do you. 52 Which of the prophets did your fathers not persecute? And they killed those who foretold the coming of the Just One, of whom you now have become the betrayers and murderers, 53 who have received the law by the direction of angels and have not kept it. 54 When they heard these things they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed at him with their teeth. 55 But he, being full of the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God, 56 and said, Look! I see the heavens opened and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God!
God set Israel aside (Rom 11:11,25; Acts 28:28) in Acts 7 when Christ stood in judgment (Isa 3:13) at the stoning of Stephen. Part of Paul’s ministry had been to show Israel that they had been set aside. This is why the Corinthian church spoke in tongues. One wall of their meeting place was contiguous with the Jewish synagogue. They spoke in tongues in judgment upon the unbelieving Jews next door in fulfillment of the prophecy in Isaiah 28 (1 Co 14:21,22). In Acts 28:28, God used Paul to pronounce to the Jews in Rome that Israel had been set aside. After this, the baptisms imposed on Israel, being fleshly ordinances (Heb 9:10-13), were set aside until God would resume dealing with Israel in the tribulation.
We see that Christ was standing in judgment here, because that was the custom when a judge judged. here are some passages to read which show God stands when He judges: Psalm 7:6-11 Arise, O LORD, in Your anger; Lift Yourself up because of the rage of my enemies; Rise up for me to the judgment You have commanded! 7 So the congregation of the peoples shall surround You; For their sakes, therefore, return on high. 8 The LORD shall judge the peoples; Judge me, O LORD, according to my righteousness, And according to my integrity within me. 9 Oh, let the wickedness of the wicked come to an end, But establish the just; For the righteous God tests the hearts and minds. 10 My defense is of God, Who saves the upright in heart. 11 God is a just judge, and God is angry with the wicked every day.
Psalm 9:16-20 The LORD is known by the judgment He executes; The wicked is snared in the work of his own hands. 17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God. 18 For the needy shall not always be forgotten; The expectation of the poor shall not perish forever. 19 Arise, O LORD, Do not let man prevail; Let the nations be judged in Your sight. 20 Put them in fear, O LORD, That the nations may know themselves to be but men. Selah
Psalm 82:1-8 God stands in the congregation of the mighty; He judges among the gods. 2 How long will you judge unjustly, and show partiality to the wicked? Selah 3 Defend the poor and fatherless; Do justice to the afflicted and needy. 4 Deliver the poor and needy; Free them from the hand of the wicked. 5 They do not know, nor do they understand; They walk about in darkness; All the foundations of the earth are unstable. 6 I said, “You are gods, and all of you are children of the Most High. 7 But you shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.” 8 Arise, O God, judge the earth; For You shall inherit all nations.
Isaiah 3:13 The LORD stands up to plead, and stands to judge the people.
Remember, Paul was inspired by God to write about this setting aside of Israel in Rom 11:11,15,25 I say then, have they stumbled that they should fall? Certainly not! But through their fall, to provoke them to jealousy, salvation has come to the Gentiles. 15 For if their being cast away is the reconciling of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? 25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.
Because of Israel’s fall, Paul became the apostle of the Gentiles with a new gospel. Acts 26:16-18 tells us about his commission. But rise and stand on your feet; for I have appeared to you for this purpose, to make you a minister and a witness both of the things which you have seen and of the things which I will yet reveal to you. 17 I will deliver you from the Jewish people, as well as from the Gentiles, to whom I now send you, 18 to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.
Gal 2:7 tells us about his gospel: “But on the contrary, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision had been committed to me, as the gospel of the circumcision was to Peter.” Now, when Israel rejected God, He stood and judged the nation of Israel.
This is where the judgment of tongues is relevant. In 1 Co 14:20, Paul referred to the Isaiah 28 prophecy, because the leaders of Israel were, again like babes in understanding. 1 Co 14:20-22 “Brethren, do not be children in understanding; however, in malice be babes, but in understanding be mature. 21 In the law it is written: “With men of other tongues and other lips I will speak to this people; And yet, for all that, they will not hear Me,” says the Lord. 22 Therefore tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe but to unbelievers; but prophesying is not for unbelievers but for those who believe.” The Isaiah 28 passage was a warning of judgment. Then, according to 1 Co 14:22, these tongues were for a sign, to whom? 22 “Therefore tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe but to unbelievers; but prophesying is not for unbelievers but for those who believe.
These tongues were for a sign, to Israel! And, what was the purpose? Judgment! Then, when God set Israel aside, He made a final official decree of judgment against Israel in Acts 28:28, through the Apostle Paul showing that they had been set aside. Since the use for tongues was now over, God inspired Paul to write in 1 Co 13:8, Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away.
Therefore, Israel was set aside in Acts 7. Part of Paul’s commission was to show Israel they had been set aside as God’s favored nation. Now, a Jew and a Gentile were on the same level outside of Christ – they were all sinners, going to hell. Now, there was a new church, the body of Christ. There is no discrimination in the body of Christ. We are all one in Christ.
Safe and sealed in the body of Christ,
Bob
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