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whasssuuuppp
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| Posted 10/3/2001 12:02 PM (GMT -6) |   | I should add--
When I downloaded the song, the title it was listed under was the "World Trade Center theme song." Interesting, huh?
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faith
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| Posted 10/3/2001 5:26 PM (GMT -6) | | quote:
I should add--
When I downloaded the song, the title it was listed under was the "World Trade Center theme song." Interesting, huh?
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How very, very sad!!!!!!!!!
It makes my heart hurt to think about people who believe something so completely opposite to who God is and what he's done for us and it makes me feel like I, and we as Christians collectively, have so failed those around us. How very, very sad.
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geej
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| Posted 10/8/2001 5:15 PM (GMT -6) | | While I understand the woman's comment, it is profoundly sad to think of a life without God. Without the triune God we worship, life truly would be without hope. It seems as though now, more than ever...at least in my life...we should turn to him for protection, solace and safety..also, we Christians should be doing what we can to share our solace (Christ) with others. Our words and actions can be extremely powerful tools when utilized by Christ.
GJ
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azusastreet
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| Posted 10/21/2001 3:39 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
At times like this, I believe it is SO important to be able to articulate why and how it is that GOD IS NOT BEHIND EVERYTHING! This woman expresses why.
Okay, God is not behind everything, but in your rush to present a loving Abba-Father God, and an evil Satan & coherts, has the possibility of a judgment from God been entirely dismissed? Didn't our loving Heavenly Father also say, "I am a consuming Fire"?
It's fine for you to present and raise the watchman alarm to the unpraying church of the spiritual battle they are engulfed in and the realities of Satan and fallen-angels; however, you can't out-of-hand completely dismiss the possibility of God's hand in matters which appear "evil" just to fit your theology either, ignoring the Biblical record.
I'd like to recommend a book by Dr. Michael L. Brown (Brownsville Revival FIRE school), "Loving Father or Consuming Fire?" to you and all your readers. You may have to get it from an out-of-print source. It was one of the books we used at Bible college (Christ for the Nations) for a Book of Job class.
While on book recommendations, I'd also ask you to read a book by David Wilkerson (Times Square Church/Teen Challenge) called "God's Plan to Protect His People in the Coming Depression". Published late 1998, it appears the book's prediction has unfolded in our present times.
Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell took a lot of flak for even mentioning the possibility that what took place on Sept. 11 could have been part of a judgment from God on this nation. It's certainly not a popular position.
I love my country. So did the prophet Jeremiah. But to deny even such an horrific event as the WTC disaster might be part of a judgment from God is to deny the biblical record.
I'm not saying that it IS a judgment; however, just as you are disturbed that people might believe EVERYTHING is from God, I'm likewise disturbed that God's judgments may HOLD NO PLACE in the presention of the cosmic battle of God & His people vs. Satan & his coherts, and the thinking that all things "good" come from "God" and all things "evil" come from Satan. It's just as out-of-balance, only the other way.
Can sickness, even sickness leading to death, be from God? To say all sickness is from Satan would dismiss the scriptures about those that are "sick and have fallen asleep" because they did not "discern" the body of Christ when receiving Holy Communion. Our loving Father God judged his children even unto death in this passage.
And for my third book recommendation, may I suggest "The Beautiful Side of Evil" by Johanna Michaelsen. (out-of-print,half.com has it http://www.half.com/cat/buy/prod.cgi?cpid=1180420) This book examines healings that were performed by "evil" power. Not all supernatural giftings or healings have their source in God. How what is defined as "good" and "evil" suddenly come into question, depending on the source.
Finally, a word about the Blueprint worldview. Let's suppose for a moment that it's the correct view. The problem your readers seemed to have was not being creative enough in their thinking to find a way to justify God, to think of a good enough reason, that would justify Him permitting the destruction of the WTC and 5600+ human lives. Let me appeal to another tragedy for comparison first.
Dec. 7, 1941. Perl Harbor. 2000+ lives lost by sneak Japanese attack. The idea of man changing history has been toyed with in several time-travel scenarios. Both an old StarTrek episode and a film starring Kirk Douglas explored the idea of if this event had somehow been prevented from happening. Would have this nation entered the war in time to prevent Hitler and the Nazis from taking over the world? Or from developing the A-bomb first? The attack on Perl Harbor provided the catalyst for this nation to wake up and act.
The same could be true of the WTC disaster. Perhaps a greater-good is being accomplished by allowing this to have happened. Perhaps this event, and the causal ripple effects of this nation going to war againt terrorism, results in a "new time-line", a new future, where one of the terrorists we will catch or kill never gets a chance to use a weapon of mass destruction. The sacrifice of the WTC and 5,600+ lives is tragic, but perhaps millions upon millions of lives have been saved from a nuclear, biological or chemical devestation that will now never occur.
Closing thought. If God reveals his plans to his prophets, before He does anything, and no prophet has sounded the alarm that we know of (David Wilkerson?), then either the silent prophet now has blood on his hands, or it wasn't God's plan.
The biblical promise is for the revelation to be of God's plans, not the plans of our enemy Satan. Our prophets would have to be asking God to know Satan's plans in order that a prayer of intervention might have taken place (or some other intervention). God doesn't seem to be obligated by a biblical promise to tell anyone about Satan's plans ahead of time.
The comforting conclusion using this logic is then it was not God's plan to destroy the WTC and the 5,600+ lives since no prophet sounded the alarm.
Or, was there no one in this entire nation to stand in the gap and intercede with God to restrain his judgment? (and therefore no prophet notified?)
Or, did some pray against Satan's schemes in NYC, binding and loosing, and like the prophet Daniel, did they petition God for an answer in prayer but the answer, the hosts of heaven intervention, were somehow prevented from arriving in time due to an unseen spiritual battle, just as Daniel had to wait three weeks for his answer?
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