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PotOnWheel
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| Posted 9/25/2001 4:36 PM (GMT -6) |   | Here is a follow up to the above. I was reading today and the things that pastor had said made a portion jump out. . .so, here it is.
......(pretty thick reading--but a gem inside).........
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From (a Lutheran) Lars Thunberg's "Man and Cosmos: The Vision of St. Maximus the Confessor" (writing about a 6th century Greek monastic and theologian who was martyred along with a Latin Pope), Chapter 5 - The Natural-Social Dimension.
This . . . Maximus affirms in Letter 2, where he says that deifying charity permits a reciprocal attribution (antidosis chetike) between those who are being united, i.e., God and man, in a communication (communicatio idiomatum) similar to that between the two natures in Christ. Maximus writes:
... "For the most perfect work of charity and the culmination
... of its activity is to attain, through a reciprocal attribution,
... that the attributes of those whom it unites pass from one to
... the other, and likewise the names of these qualities, and that
... it makes man act and appear as God, through the one and
... unchangeable decision and motion of will on both sides, such as
... we see it in Abraham and the other saints. And this is perhaps
... what is said about the person of God: "In the hands of the prophets
... I have made myself similar" [Hos. 12:10] to express how God,
... though the unitive practice of virtue, makes Himself conform with
... everyone due to His great love for human beings. For the "hand"
... of every just person is His virtuous practice -- in which and
... through which God receives likeness unto men."
The christological convictions of the councils of Chalcedon and Constantinople (of the years 451 and 553) are here translated to the level of the virtues in the sense that human integration and unification, established through a correct relation to God as goal, is maintained and confessed to the same extent that human differentiations are also maintained, through an act of divine-human mutual appropriation. The natural-social dimension is thus not neglected but affirmed precisely within the relationship in which it is transcended. Such a dialectic is characteristic of Maximus.
In order not to forget the social aspect of this dimension, however, in reference also to Maximus's admirable skill in keeping all things together in his vision, let us end this chapter with another quotation, one dealing with love for one's neighbor. It is taken from Liber Asceticus 8 :
... "For those who are created after the image of God and are
... motivated by reason [logos, with reference to man as a
... rational being, but through this also to the logos of his
... nature, common to all mankind], who are thought worthy of
... knowledge of God and receive their law from Him, it is possible
... not to repulse those who cause them grief and to love those
... who have them. Hence when the Lord says: "Love your enemies;
... do good to them that hate you," he does not command the
... impossible, but clearly what is possible, for He would not
... otherwise rebuke the transgressor. The Lord Himself makes it
... clear and has shown it to us by His very works; and so too all
... His disciples, who strove till death for love of their neighbor
... and prayed fervently for those who killed them. But since we are
... lovers of material things, and of pleasure, preferring them above
... the commandment, we are not then able to love those who hate us,
... being worse disposed than beasts and creeping things. And that
... is why, not being able to follow in the steps of God, we are
... likewise unable to know His purpose, so that we might receive
... strength."
PotOnWheel
(ISA 64:8 "Yet, O Lord, you are our Father. We are the clay, you are the potter; we are all the work of your hand.")
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| Posted 10/24/2001 7:47 PM (GMT -6) | | 700 club, that show is funny,
but not as funny as this.
Here sleepyhead I mean whasssuuuppp
God Bless
"Evolution is both fact and a theory.It is a fact that evolutionary change took place. And evolution is also a theory that seeks to explain the detailed mechanism behind that change." Kenneth R. Miller
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whasssuuuppp
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| Posted 10/24/2001 7:53 PM (GMT -6) | | Faithful,
Where did you get that from???
ms. sleepyhead, who is up past her bedtime
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whasssuuuppp
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| Posted 10/24/2001 7:56 PM (GMT -6) | | Okay, I just figured it out, it's another one from Chris Farley. Thanks! (And it's even repeated THREE times!)
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| Posted 10/25/2001 3:49 AM (GMT -6) | | It is a wav file I borrowed from a website.
CLIK HERE TO VIEW OTHER WAV FILES
ms.sleepyhead,Jen I mean whasssuuuppp go here if you would like to listen to other wav clips. I found the chris farley ones in a section entitled comedians. Hope that helped.
God Bless
"Evolution is both fact and a theory.It is a fact that evolutionary change took place. And evolution is also a theory that seeks to explain the detailed mechanism behind that change." Kenneth R. Miller
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