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PotOnWheel
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   Posted 9/6/2004 5:28 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I saw this quote here, on a thread:


"God gets no glory from people who don't enjoy God!" - John Piper


I often remember things in paired combination with visuals of where I was when talking or thinking about them. Piper talked in chapel at Bethel College (Minnesota) back when I was a student. (I recognize many faces on his present staff and faculty.) I remember going down the hill on the road by Lake Johanna. Maybe alone, or maybe talking about Piper's strange chioce of words, and unussual analogy. To compare hedonism, which is a lot like epicurine (sp?) and all those things that "Norwegian Bachelor Farmers from Lake Wogebon, Minnesota" would fain from out of proud humility, etc. Wow. But he got is point across.

But, here is this word that is not made up. "Christian Hedonism" is made up. Its "for effect." But "GLORY" is Biblical. What's that about?

Well, I look at how John Calvin used the word GLORY. And Calvin used it two ways. First is the "reputation" meaning that might be substituted with "acclaim" without much damage. But it is THE OTHER meaning of "Glory" for Calvin that gets my attention. And I think it is THAT meaning of Glory that has a lesson for us!

Glory is God's uncreated energies. Glory is God's direct, personal dealings with mankind. Personal relationship. Dealings in us, transforming us. God does all this and shares all this with us in his GLORY.

The Glory of God was on the mountain, made Moses face shine, etc.

That's substantially different than just "reputation."

So, Piper reportedly said: "God gets no glory from people who don't enjoy God!" But I think I'd change that. For emphasis. More like Calvin!

"God's glory does not dwell in those who do not delight in their redeemer."
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1Heart
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   Posted 9/6/2004 9:52 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
quote:
Originally posted by PotOnWheel

I saw this quote here, on a thread:


"God gets no glory from people who don't enjoy God!" - John Piper


I often remember things in paired combination with visuals of where I was when talking or thinking about them. Piper talked in chapel at Bethel College (Minnesota) back when I was a student. (I recognize many faces on his present staff and faculty.) I remember going down the hill on the road by Lake Johanna. Maybe alone, or maybe talking about Piper's strange chioce of words, and unussual analogy. To compare hedonism, which is a lot like epicurine (sp?) and all those things that "Norwegian Bachelor Farmers from Lake Wogebon, Minnesota" would fain from out of proud humility, etc. Wow. But he got is point across.

But, here is this word that is not made up. "Christian Hedonism" is made up. Its "for effect." But "GLORY" is Biblical. What's that about?

Well, I look at how John Calvin used the word GLORY. And Calvin used it two ways. First is the "reputation" meaning that might be substituted with "acclaim" without much damage. But it is THE OTHER meaning of "Glory" for Calvin that gets my attention. And I think it is THAT meaning of Glory that has a lesson for us!

Glory is God's uncreated energies. Glory is God's direct, personal dealings with mankind. Personal relationship. Dealings in us, transforming us. God does all this and shares all this with us in his GLORY.

The Glory of God was on the mountain, made Moses face shine, etc.

That's substantially different than just "reputation."

So, Piper reportedly said: "God gets no glory from people who don't enjoy God!" But I think I'd change that. For emphasis. More like Calvin!

"God's glory does not dwell in those who do not delight in their redeemer."



POW,

I like the quote by John Piper. We see glory when we look at God in the person of Jesus Christ, but I believe we see glory in a sunset, in the face of a small child, in the first crocuses of spring, in the aurora borealis that dance across a midnight sky... Do you not think that glory is created as well as being "uncreated"?

I delight greatly in Him, so His glory must dwell in me! Eyebrow

God Bless you POW,
Jo-Anne


"Sometimes all we can do is go back to the character of God, and drop anchor there."

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PotOnWheel
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   Posted 9/7/2004 1:57 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Thanks, Jo-Anne.

(Yes; and my post used two definitions.)
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