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PotOnWheel
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| Posted 9/14/2004 4:20 AM (GMT -6) |   | Two "Nos" and One "Yes"
http://www.schmemann.org/memoriam/1984.svtq8.hopko.html
Once again, Leviathan
has posted
a long article with
no point realted
to a thread.
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Leviathan
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| Posted 9/14/2004 5:21 AM (GMT -6) | | Once again PoW links to a site no one is going to read...and my link to your is as in the title says 'Is the Bible alone sufficient for Spiritual truth' or should we care about the: "Two "Nos" and One "Yes" Thomas Hopko Delivered at the Divine Liturgy, December 16, 1983...Wriiten in the St. Vladimir’s Theological Quarterly
Is the Bible Alone Sufficient for Spiritual Truth?
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No cut-and-pasting entire articles please. POW lives on the line, constantly cut-and-pasting material from other sites. A thought or paragraph is fine, but not large amounts. Your Ankerberg articles, Leviathan, is just such an example as well of how NOT to bring information gained from other sites.
If you can't summarize it in your own words, don't bring it up. It's just laziness. Post the URL if you feel you can't summarize it all.
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PotOnWheel
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| Posted 9/14/2004 6:10 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Originally posted by PotOnWheel
Two "Nos" and One "Yes"
http://www.schmemann.org/memoriam/1984.svtq8.hopko.html
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PotOnWheel
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| Posted 9/14/2004 6:32 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Fr Alexander also taught us – by his life and by his death – that this world is redeemed, that this world is saved, that God has sent His Only-Begotten Son to give Himself for the life of the world, for the life not only of every human soul of which the whole world is not worthy, but for the life of all things: the whole creation, the plants, the animals, his beloved hippopotamus! All that God has made will be saved, resurrected, restored, renewed in Christ Who has risen from the dead, for death itself, in that restoration, becomes the instrument of victory. How many times he said, " . . . through the Cross – and only through the Cross – has joy come into the world." The world is good, the world is fallen, and the world is redeemed.
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PotOnWheel
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| Posted 9/14/2004 6:37 AM (GMT -6) | | - The first "no" was to what Father called secularism – any kind of explanation of this world as having its meaning in itself.
- The second "no" – in a very peculiar use of the term, of course, which confuses some people – is when Father said, "We must also say ‘no’ to religion."
- "Yes" to the fact that in the Church the fallen world which is redeemed in Christ and is going to come at the end as the Kingdom of God – eschatology – is here and now with us.
And:
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In Him (Christ) death itself has become an act of life, for He (Christ) has filled it with Himself, with His love and His light. In Him (as the apostle Paul has written) all things are yours; whether . . . the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are yours; and ye are Christ’s; and Christ is God’s’ (1 Cor. 3:21-23). And if I make this new life mine, mine this hunger and thirst for the Kingdom, mine this expectation of Christ, mine the certitude that Christ is Life, then my very death will be an act of communion with Life. For neither life nor death can separate us from the love of Christ. I do not know when and how the fulfillment will come. I do not know when all things will be consummated in Christ. I know nothing about the ‘whens’ and ‘hows.’ But I know that in Christ this great Passage, the Pascha of the world has begun, that the light of the ‘world to come’ comes to us in the joy and peace of the Holy Spirit, for Christ is risen and Life reigns.
http://www.schmemann.org/memoriam/1984.svtq8.hopko.html
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Leviathan
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| Posted 9/14/2004 6:38 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Fr Alexander also taught us... God has sent His Only-Begotten Son to give Himself for the life of the world,
Ya, so did Jesus in the book of John!! LOL | | Back to Top | | |
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PotOnWheel
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| Posted 9/14/2004 6:43 AM (GMT -6) | | L. Your post does not make any sense to me. (I see that you added at the beginning "Fr Alexander also taught us..." )
So, now it makes sense. But still, what's your point?
A pastor preaches from the Bible. And you satirize?
(Were you making a point. Or are you just trying to cause trouble.)
These posts are here for the benifit of thought and reflection, and discussion.
I went to considerable work looking for, finding, and posting them here.
It would be much more fair for YOU to start your OWN threads, and then do with them what you want.
I do not like your behavior, and fear that it might damage the opportunity of other people to consider and give "considered" response or redirection to these posts.
We are all here to LEARN.
-- not to fight bordom!
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Leviathan
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| Posted 9/14/2004 7:34 AM (GMT -6) | | PoW,
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are you just trying to cause trouble
Who is the one causing trouble, isn't you who are at a Protestant forum DUMPING loads of catholic 'junk'(for lack of a better word)
Fine go ahead...But don't cry when I dump protestant arguements on your dump!
You want to debate "what is the CHURCH" or was 'Mary ever-virgin' or other differances between faiths or better yet 'how is one saved'.
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PotOnWheel
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| Posted 9/14/2004 7:44 AM (GMT -6) | | (L. Start your own threads on whatever you want.)
THIS thread is about Two "Nos" and One "Yes"
(I believe it was the funeral eulogy by one seminary professor of his departed (graduated) colleague.)
As a Reformed Christian, with a very strong Evangelical Christian background (father and grandfather both taught at a wellknown/respected Evangelical college, and a onetime acting President of the National Association of Evangelicals was a friend of mine!) I can say that any partisenship and divisiveness can find a DIFFERENT home. ALL of this should be embraced by Evangelicals, Mainline, Catholic, etc.!!!
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Originally posted by PotOnWheel
- The first "no" was to what (Schmemann) called secularism – any kind of explanation of this world as having its meaning in itself.
- The second "no" – in a very peculiar use of the term, of course, which confuses some people – is when Father said, "We must also say ‘no’ to religion."
- "Yes" to the fact that in the Church the fallen world which is redeemed in Christ and is going to come at the end as the Kingdom of God – eschatology – is here and now with us.
And:
quote:
In Him (Christ) death itself has become an act of life, for He (Christ) has filled it with Himself, with His love and His light. In Him (as the apostle Paul has written) all things are yours; whether . . . the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are yours; and ye are Christ’s; and Christ is God’s’ (1 Cor. 3:21-23). And if I make this new life mine, mine this hunger and thirst for the Kingdom, mine this expectation of Christ, mine the certitude that Christ is Life, then my very death will be an act of communion with Life. For neither life nor death can separate us from the love of Christ. I do not know when and how the fulfillment will come. I do not know when all things will be consummated in Christ. I know nothing about the ‘whens’ and ‘hows.’ But I know that in Christ this great Passage, the Pascha of the world has begun, that the light of the ‘world to come’ comes to us in the joy and peace of the Holy Spirit, for Christ is risen and Life reigns.
http://www.schmemann.org/memoriam/1984.svtq8.hopko.html
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PotOnWheel
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| Posted 9/14/2004 8:21 AM (GMT -6) | | quote:
Originally posted by JEE
My response is here:
http://www.christusvictorministries.org/gbfront/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3665&whichpage=2
THIS?:
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Originally posted by JEE
My understanding of Eastern Orthodoxy is that it agrees with Scripture that evil deeds are without excuse, and that mankind indeed has power to choose the contrary (free will). The article you linked elsewhere by Schmemann affirms the fallenness of the world with respect to evil; which is of course true, but it does not actually address the question whether such criminals are indeed personally responsible for their actions. I think it is a misapplication of Schmemann's usage to the refer it to terrorist acts. If he indeed meant address whether or not criminals had the power to refrain from their crimes in saying "God ordains evil," then it would necessarily follow that he is thereby openly excusing evil, rather than confronting it and overcoming it with good, as Scripture enjoins.
That also seems to tie in with the other new thread: "Evil in Our World Today "
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