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| Posted 10/31/2004 5:59 PM (GMT -6) |   | quote:
Originally posted by scott_jorgenson
In all this discussion I'm a little surprised to see no concern expressed by anyone about the innocent men, women and children who have been killed by the war our government brought to Iraq. If I'm not mistaken, in every case when people here have mentioned the Iraq war negatively, it was only in the context of only considering our nation's own suffering - that is, the suffering of our soldiers. Someone even suggested it was inappropriate to "broaden" the scope of our concern and sense of responsibility, to consider the suffering we have brought to Iraq, something we as a nation are completely and totally responsible for - without considering abortion worldwide as well, something we as a nation have almost nothing to do with.
Do you really want to broaden the scope beyond the (average two per day) U.S soldiers that choose to volunteer their lives vs. the (average 4000 a day) unborn that did not choose their fate? Have you studied the long term physiological damage that woman suffer (Kerry voted against banning abortion on demand) after having an abortion? Have you ever met a woman that has experienced the devastation after being victimized by this lie? quote:
Where is the American evangelical Christian community's heart for the innocent people in Iraq? And the innocent people living in future targets of our country's military should this incredible doctrine of "unilateral pre-emptive war" be allowed to continue? And the innocent people of our own country within our own borders, thrown into greater risk by the endless rage that the fire of our own pre-emption fuels? Why is the community obsessed instead with legislating something based on a disputable and controversial opinion about when personhood begins - an opinion that unbelievers have no reason to accept unless we first work at changing their hearts - while ignoring all these, whose personhood is universally not in doubt?
As for the looming global ecological catastrophe posed by global climate change and biodiversity loss, about which George Bush evidently knows and cares nothing - what of our stewardship of God's creation? Why are Christians silent?
Is the global ecological environment the greatest danger our children face today, or do we find the real danger in social and moral pollution?
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Sometimes I am so discouraged for my children, not despite of my community, but because of my community.
Ditto
"Is there any situation or circumstance where an abortion may be ethically acceptable if you are a Christian? First, being a Christian has nothing to do with this issue. One might suggest that Christians ought to know better on this issue or that one would expect they'd be more morally sensitive. But whether one is a Christian or not has absolutely nothing to do with whether this particular action, abortion, is right or wrong because this question is a human question, not a question of partisan, religious ideology, regardless of how the pro-abortion advocates have tried to frame it. It is a question about basic human rights and basic human respect."
http://www.str.org/free/commentaries/abortion/sanctsun.htm
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KERRY: I am a Catholic. And I grew up learning how to respect those views. But I disagree with them, as do many.
I believe that I can't legislate or transfer to another American citizen my article of faith. What is an article of faith for me is not something that I can legislate on somebody who doesn't share that article of faith. http://www.debates.org/pages/trans2004d.html
To hide behind one's faith so you don't have to be accountable for your choices, hmmm... sounds like a trial lawyer. 
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