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PotOnWheel
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Posted 8/31/2004 3:53 PM (GMT -6)

Hyper-Calvinism thread (LINK)

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feelinahole
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Posted 9/1/2004 5:28 PM (GMT -6)

James White is pretty hyper.

borg
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Posted 9/1/2004 5:47 PM (GMT -6)

Hyper-Calvinism (a definition)

that God is the author of sin and of evil
that men have no will of their own, and secondary causes are of no effect
that the number of the elect at any time may be known by men
that it is wrong to evangelize
that assurance of election must be sought prior to repentance and faith
that men who have once sincerely professed belief are saved regardless of what they later do
that God has chosen some races of men and has rejected others
that the children of unbelievers dying in infancy are certainly damned
that God does not command everyone to repent
that the sacraments are not means of grace, but obstacles to salvation by faith alone.
that the true church is only invisible, and salvation is not connected with the visible church
that the Scriptures are intended to be interpreted by individuals only and not by the church.
that no government is to be obeyed which does not acknowledge that Jesus is the Lord, or that Biblical Law is its source of authority
that the grace of God does not work for the betterment of all men
that saving faith is equivalent to belief in the doctrine of predestination
that only Calvinists are Christians (Neo-gnostic Calvinism)

"So it is a more glorious work of power to uphold a soul in a state of grace and holiness, and to carry it on till it is brought to glory, when there is so much sin remaining in the heart resisting, and Satan with all his might opposing, than it would have been to have kept manfrom falling at first, when Satan had nothing in man." Edwards

Alan Rhoda
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Posted 9/2/2004 9:30 AM (GMT -6)

That's an awefully narrow definition of hyper-calvinism, borg. Given all of those constraints, I'd be surprised if more than a very small handful of people in history (if anyone) would qualify for the label.

Moreover, I very much doubt that the term has been historically intended in such a narrow sense, whether by Arminians polemicizing against Calvinism, or by Calvinists polemicizing against other, more extreme, Calvinists.

For a better description of hyper-Calvinism and some of the different ways the term has been construed, see Spurgeon (www.spurgeon.org/~phil/articles/hypercal.htm).

Alan

borg
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Posted 9/2/2004 12:54 PM (GMT -6)

Spurgeon may have defined it as such, but this is a widely accepted view within Reformed Theology as to what "hyper-Calvinism" is. You do not need to meet every point to be "hyper", but any unbiblical ubsurdity that is thus integrated into the doctrines of those who call themselves calvinists can be viewed as a branch of hyper(ism). One can be declared a hyper-calvinist and yet have a vast majority of their doctrines still remain biblical (in my humble opinion). It's also interesting because Spurgeon viewed Arminianism to be just as flawed as hyper-calvinism and fought against each equally, hmm...

Grace to you,
Borg

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