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spenlake
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| Posted 9/19/2004 9:34 AM (GMT -6) |   | What is the difference in the Holy Spirit pre and post Pentecost. Jesus, when He was bodily on the earth, said it was BETTER for us if He went away so that the Father would send the Holy Spirit.
John 16:7, "“But I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you."
This is a big claim. It is better for US that He goes away. What does this mean and why is it better for us. What was different after Pentecost that was better than having Jesus physically present. The Holy Spirit was active and present before this time.
- all prophecy was inspired by the Holy Spirit.
- John the Baptist was filled with the Holy Spirit while in the womb.
- King David had the Holy Spirit, "Do not cast me away from Your presence and do not take Your Holy Spirit from me."
- Isaiah says, "Then His people remembered the days of old, of Moses. Where is He who brought them up out of the sea with the shepherds of His flock? Where is He who put His Holy Spirit in the midst of them."
- The same disciples did miracles before Pentecost, "And He called the twelve together, and gave them power and authority over all the demons and to heal diseases. And He sent them out to proclaim the kingdom of God and to perform healing."
- Other disciples also did great deeds, "The seventy returned with joy, saying, “Lord, even the demons are subject to us in Your name."
The miracles of Acts happened in the Old Testament as well. Elisha raiised the dead. The Holy Spirit was active before Pentecost.
What is different post-Pentecost that was of greater value than having Jesus remain bodily on earth?
Spen Lake
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Lee Merrill
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| Posted 9/19/2004 11:35 AM (GMT -6) | | Hi Spen,
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What is the difference in the Holy Spirit pre and post Pentecost.
I do think Scripture teaches that the Holy Spirit was with the disciples, but not in them, while Jesus was on earth. But I do believe that people before Jesus came had the Holy Spirit in them, not just on them or with them:
GE 41:38 So Pharaoh asked them, "Can we find anyone like this man, one in whom is the spirit of God?"
Numbers 27:18 So the Lord said to Moses, "Take Joshua son of Nun, a man in whom is the spirit, and lay your hand on him."
DA 5:11 There is a man in your kingdom who has the spirit of the holy gods in him.
I do think the Holy Spirit came with more gifts at Pentecost, though! And more revelation, more knowledge of God. But not in an essentially different way than he was with believers before, I think when Jesus was in his ministry on earth was a special time, when the Holy Spirit was not in Jesus' followers then, in the way he would be in the future, or in the way he had been in other believers before Pentecost.
Blessings,
Lee
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Lee Merrill
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| Posted 9/21/2004 3:14 PM (GMT -6) | | Hi Jeff,
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... do we know that the Hebrew in the OT verses you gave unequivocally indicate the Spirit was in them in the way the NT describes?
Yes, I think so, because Abraham, and David, are our NT examples of righteousness, which must not be their own, but must be from God, by the indwelling presence of God in them, just like we need, in order to do right.
Galatians 5:16 So I say, live by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the sinful nature.
Genesis 26:5 "... Abraham obeyed me and kept my requirements, my commands, my decrees and my laws."
Blessings,
Lee
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