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honorman
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Posted 9/11/2003 6:26 AM (GMT -6)

Freedom cannot exist without discipline, self-discipline, and rights cannot exist without duties. Those who do not observe their duties do not deserve their rights.
Oriana Fallaci

Modes of Thought
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Posted 9/11/2003 6:41 AM (GMT -6)

I think I agree at least in part, but it raises the question: Is there such a thing as Human Rights? Rights we have by virtue of being human?

But then another question, is there such a thing as Human Duties? Duties we have simply by virtue of being human?

"I don't feel a real urgent burden to get all the details of my ethics worked out until I've got the profundity of my love worked out in a Christ-like way." --doc

DLW
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Posted 9/11/2003 7:59 AM (GMT -6)

quote:
Originally posted by honorman

Freedom cannot exist without discipline, self-discipline, and rights cannot exist without duties. Those who do not observe their duties do not deserve their rights.
Oriana Fallaci

Yes, but this leaves unspecified what forms of disciplines should be undertaken to assure what distribution of freedoms.

Rights and Duties are two different sides of the same coin.

Freedom for the Pike is death for the Minnow...

dlw

Niebuhr thought that sustained moral energy in politics depended on religion's power to mobilize reason along with self-transcending love. The prophetic tradition, meanwhile, gave Jews and Christians some protection against the temptation to identify their social causes with God's will. Lincoln's second inaugural address expressed the prophetic insight, "The almighty has His own purposes."

Springs
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Posted 9/11/2003 11:35 AM (GMT -6)

One of the most basic rights humans claim is the right to live.

Iconoclast
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Posted 9/11/2003 6:28 PM (GMT -6)

Is another way to say this that there is no such thing as freedom from there is only freedom for?

thanks,
Iconoclast

"The benefit overran the merit the first day, and has overrun the merit ever since. The merit itself, so-called, I reckon part of the receiving." - Ralph Waldo Emerson

DLW
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Posted 9/12/2003 6:28 AM (GMT -6)

quote:
Originally posted by Iconoclast

Is another way to say this that there is no such thing as freedom from there is only freedom for?

thanks,
Iconoclast

There is such a thing as freedom from, but it entails that anothers freedom be curtailed. Our freedoms are always curtailed and directed for somethings and not others...

dlw

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