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spenlake
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Date Joined Jan 2004
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Posted 11/24/2004 5:51 AM (GMT -6)

ANDREW STROM writes:

It has not been the emails that disagree with me or accuse me of being "divisive", etc, that bring me to tears. It is the emails from all over the world that strongly AGREE with me and tell me of other horrors that they have witnessed themselves. I sat at my computer last night getting sadder and sadder as I read account after account of the sickness that has spread around the globe as part of this movement. -It is actually WORSE than I ever imagined.

I believe this movement is BEYOND reforming. It has reached the point of no return. Some slight changes may occur - but they can only be 'surface' ones really. That is why I felt I had to totally CUT MYSELF OFF at this time. -It really has become that bad.

We are talking here about a movement where it is encouraged for people to interact with "Orbs of light" that come hovering down (-a major prophetic ministry does this) or to pay money for personal "dream interpretations". We are talking about a movement that teaches people how to "visualize" their way into the 'Third Heaven' and sometimes holds 'Presbytery' days where you can book a half-hour personal appointment with a prophet for a hefty fee. We are talking about a movement that majors on 'manifestations', "portals" and weird 'visitations'. In every way it more closely resembles the New Age movement than anything Christian. In fact, more and more I am seeing that this movement is utterly dominated by a spirit of DIVINATION and fortune-telling. It is sick beyond words. And it's prophets are utterly blind. Even now, they rush to hold a huge 'Visitations' gathering in Hollywood led by Jill Austin - one of the most "Divination"-oriented of them all. I am close to tears even now, just writing about it. It is so awful what this movement has become.

Please STAY AWAY from it, my friends. We are talking about DEMONIC encounters here. "And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness."

Spen Lake

spenlake
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Posted 11/24/2004 6:03 AM (GMT -6)

Andrew: (This movement) sometimes holds 'Presbytery' days where you can book a half-hour personal appointment with a prophet for a hefty fee.

Spen: Andrew is not exagerating. At the Midwest Apostolic Prophetic Conference in Minnesota this coming January, you can visit and see it for yourself. from their site http://www.rainministries.org/site/rezz_page.php?pageName=rz_rain_news_2&dirName=rain we find:

quote:
Personal Prophetic Ministry
Prophetic ministers will be available for personal prophetic ministry during the dinner break on Thursday & Friday. Appointments are not necessary; ministry is on a first come, first served basis.

I have family members that are "recognized prophets" that will participate in these presbyteries to give you your Holy Spirit fortune. They are ordained as apostles and prophets by leaders of the Toronto "blessing." The fees for such things vary but the concepts are the same.

Spen Lake

pdaviesoz
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Posted 11/24/2004 11:53 AM (GMT -6)

In this issue (paying for ministry), I absolutely agree. The tendency of the Western church to charge money for ministry is very dangerous, and a taint on the ministries involved. While I do not believe this invalidates the Lord's ability to use these ministries, I firmly believe "Freely you have received, freely give."

The same holds for selling Christian worship music.

When we go to the Adelaide Psychic fair, we pay our way, and give away healing prayer, coffee, tea, etc. (all the christian groups there do). We have overheard comments: "they must be christians - everything's free" - [as if the big banner wasn't a glaring hint]). Even the group who do Prophetic Evangelism (which Spen doesn't like) GIVE it AWAY FREE - to bless those willing to receive from God.

Basically, its a lack of faith in the God who provides ALL our needs, the same "God who heals you". I recognise we're not all in a place of faith where we are walking in the reality of all this, but we need to make a start somewhere.

Covering costs for a conference is one thing. Paying for individual ministry is NOT.

Yet we wonder why we're little different from the world.

Paul D

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