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Grahaminator
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Date Joined Jan 2005
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   Posted 2/11/2005 8:31 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Here we go bert,
 
I have started a thread. But you will have to clearly define what you want to talk about because so far, I am not getting it. I said what I said in the other thread because I do not like anti-intellectualism or fideism. I think they are unfortunate outgrowths of bad philosophy and sloppy thinking. Would you like to discuss the relation of reason and faith? The ability of the mind to know reality and to know God? Would you like to offer some exegetical arguments for a particular view of the intellectual life and the believer? Let me know.
 
Since I am unfamiliar with the way you use your terms, (wholistic, dualism, etc.) could you define them for me, or explain how you are using them. Also, I didn't understand your response to the two scripture verses I offered you. Could you elaborate?
 
In Christ,
Matt


Man is the feeblest reed in existence, but he is a thinking reed. There is no need that the universe be armed for his destruction; a noxious vapour, a drop of water is enough to cause his death. But though the universe were to destroy him, man would be more noble than his destroyer.             -Pascal

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PotOnWheel
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   Posted 2/11/2005 8:45 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

Man!  You didn't understand my simple remarks on the Romans passage?

Romans 12: 1 Therefore, I urge you, brothers, in view of God's mercy, to offer your bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God–this is your spiritual[a] act of worship. 2 Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is–his good, pleasing and perfect will. 3 For by the grace given me I say to every one of you: Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but rather think of yourself with sober judgment, in accordance with the measure of faith God has given you.

Comment 1 -- Wholistic (non-dualistic) view of man is evident -- body affects mind...

"Dualism" might take the form of discounting one aspect of our created humanity or another. True dualisms include distinctions between Creator/creature and sin/righteousness. False included compartmentalization of life into secular and sacred, or valuing either intellect, emotions, physicality, etc while dismissing some others, or worse, and are seen in pagan Greek and Hindu, etc.

Paul's writing is not dualistic. Plain as day -- it does not require more than saying that.

Comment 2 -- Mind needs renewal for any of this to be of good. Renewed mind and transformation linked. Subjection of all to God's will.

I took elements from what was said in the passage, and collected them, showing relationships. A reading habit of mine. That's all.

Comment 3 -- Faith must inform (soberly) thought.

Same as two.


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