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MrIndifference
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   Posted 5/3/2005 10:31 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Matthew 1.18 - Now the birth of Jesus the Messiah took place in this way.  When his mother Mary had been engaged to Joseph, but before they lived together, she was found to be with child from the Holy Spirit.
 
From what I can tell, this passage is generally taken in the context of Mary being impregnated by the Holy Spirit.  Could this also have been interpreted as Mary carrying the Holy Spirits Child? Could this be seen as Mary playing the part of surrogate mother to the Holy Spirit's son? or simply the Holy Spirit Placed the child in her womb?


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   Posted 5/4/2005 6:31 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Good question! But I'm thinking of the verse in Genesis that talks of God putting enmity between the woman's seed and the serpent's seed. So if that was a prophecy of Christ's incarnation, I could see how it might have implied a true conception.


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   Posted 5/4/2005 6:44 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I think that the issue is left vague.  The actual text is:
she was found to be with child by the Holy Spirit.
 
“BEHOLD, THE VIRGIN SHALL BE WITH CHILD AND SHALL BEAR A SON, AND THEY SHALL CALL HIS NAME IMMANUEL,” which translated means, “GOD WITH US.”
 
And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall name Him Jesus....Mary said to the angel, “How can this be, since I am a virgin?” The angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; and for that reason the holy Child shall be called the Son of God.
I compare this with the "sin of the sons of god" in Genesis 3 in which I belive fallen angels fathered hybrids through copulating with women.  These beings, the Nephilim, were genetic corruptions and evil and the women were not virgins.  In contrast, Jesus was NOT a hybrid of half God and half man.  He was FULLY God and FULLY man.  Mary was not raped by a spirit but was a virgin and gave birth as a virgin.  As such, Jesus was the manifestation of the "seed of the woman" spoken of in the promise given to Eve.
 
Jesus was truly man and truly God and exactly how that worked in "conception" deosn't seem to be detailed.
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   Posted 5/4/2005 10:45 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
That actually helps quite a bit.

God has started to show me how the Trinity is the archetypical family unit. This is something that I have never heard of anyone exploring. There are some great corolations between the trinity (the family of God) and the Church and the family of the groom and the bride, when you look at Hebrew tradition.

Thanks.


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