Post Edited (AtTheWell) : 5/12/2005 11:58:50 AM (GMT-5)

Hello ATW,

I was just daydreaming out loud when I tossed out the idea of a possible plan “B”.   But since you brought it up, is there another passage prior to Isaiah 53:5 that directly speak about Jesus’ suffering on the cross?

  Isaiah 53:5 (NRSV) 

    But he was wounded for our transgressions,

        crushed for our iniquities;

    upon him was the punishment that made us whole,

        and by his bruises we are healed.

Peace,

Mark

Whew!  Thanks for clearing that up for me!  WHAT was I thinking?  Just goes to show me that there IS more to the OT than the Song of Solomon ( oh how I do love the romance)-- I have got to start branching out!

Post Edited (AtTheWell) : 5/12/2005 2:36:16 PM (GMT-5)

John,

John: Ha! Sorry for being so cryptic. Nope, not any more God-forsaken than any other day of my life.  

bryan: cool. 
 
John: The reason I posted that was because it seems to me that in this case Jesus quoted something from the OT that was definitely NOT true of himself, though apparently he subjectively FELT forsaken by God. My  thought was, "Could this be the case with regard to the Isaiah passage too?"

bryan: actually, i had a teacher talking about this one time and he said that if you read the psalm as a whole the point is that david was clinging to God and talking about how trustworthy he is and so Jesus's statement is him quoting the psalm (perhaps he recited more than this one verse in actuality?) as a statement of faith in God's trustworthiness, etc. 

Also in this line of rather defeatist-sounding thought, why would Jesus ask, "When the Son of Man returns will he find faith on the earth?"

bryan: I'm not sure where that verse is, but what comes after that?  Is Jesus doing one of those rhetorical, I'm about to answer my own question, type deals that he sometimes does ("I tell you no")? 

Good stuff, John. 

bryan