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JEE
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Posted 5/11/2005 10:53 AM (GMT -6)

Anyone know of any good books or articles on "Narrative Theology?"

Thanks,

John

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PhilTheThrill
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Posted 5/11/2005 1:11 PM (GMT -6)

In 100 words or less, what is it?

JEE
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Posted 5/11/2005 1:32 PM (GMT -6)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narrative_theology

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markporter
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Posted 5/12/2005 5:07 PM (GMT -6)

ooh, if that's what it is I think I saw a cool article by NT Wright linked from somewhere around here a while back http://www.ntwrightpage.com/Wright_Bible_Authoritative.htm

bryan mccarthy
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Posted 5/30/2005 8:50 AM (GMT -6)

hi john.

from what i can tell, these are the big guns: George Lindbeck, Hans W. Frei, Ronald Thiemann, Charles Wood.

I'm interested in this subject myself (see my concurrently running thread on postliberalism). I'm going to amazon now to see what i can find.

bryan

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bryan mccarthy
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Posted 5/30/2005 9:06 AM (GMT -6)

john,

some other names: Placher (i've read a couple articles by this guy -- he's good.), Hunsinger, Tanner, Kelsey, and Hauerwas.

so far as i understand it, john, "postliberalism" and "narrative theology" are interchangeable.

here are what seems to be the difinative works:

lindbeck's "The Nature of Doctrine: Religion and Theology in a Postliberal Age":
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0664246184/qid=1117461102/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_2/102-0188002-0521704?v=glance&s=books

frei's "The Eclipse of Biblical Narrative : A Study in Eighteenth and Nineteenth Century Hermeneutics":

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0300026021/qid=1117461503/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/102-0188002-0521704?v=glance&s=books

bryan

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JEE
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Posted 5/31/2005 10:09 AM (GMT -6)

Thanks for the links, Bryan. So many books, so little time...

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JohnE

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bryan mccarthy
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Posted 5/31/2005 5:11 PM (GMT -6)

john,

yeah...know whatchya mean bro.

bryan

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bryan mccarthy
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Posted 5/31/2005 5:15 PM (GMT -6)

hey, mark...i don't think narrative theologians would say the bible is not authoritative; it's a bit more complex than that.

bryan

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markporter
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Posted 6/6/2005 4:36 PM (GMT -6)

did I say that? or were you replying to summat else?

BBBCanada
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Posted 6/8/2005 11:11 AM (GMT -6)

Pinnock's "Tracking the Maze." Sooo, sweet! If you are into narrative theology, then you will "emerge." I really do disagree with Carson's newest book. Ugh...

Brandon
"On Plantinga's conception of rationality, a rational belief system will display the characteristic foundationalist structure: there is still a foundation that is noninferentially justified and the relation of rational supports proceeds upward through the higher levels. Where his foundationalism departs from classical foundationalism is in his specifcation of properly basic beliefs. The classical foundationalist has a rather sparse set of properly basic beliefs. Plantinga's foundationalism is much less parsimonious in its specification of properly basic beliefs. He also includes memory beliefs, beliefs about the external world, acceptance of testimony, and belief in God, among others."--Return To Reason, Kelly James Clark

JEE
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Posted 6/8/2005 11:49 AM (GMT -6)

Hi Brandon,

I will definitely check out "Tracking the Maze." While I have some serious concerns about "postmodern Christianity" in general, I of course must acknowledge that God tends to usually express himself in narratives as opposed to propositional truth per se.

By the way, do you happen to know anything about the relationship with Pinnock's Grace Unlimited with The Grace of God and the Will of Man that he edited? Is one an expanded version of the other? If you had to choose between them, which one would you get?

Thanks,

John

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JohnE

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rsirkel
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Posted 6/8/2005 9:05 PM (GMT -6)

John
Here is a link, it is about 16 pages but well worth the read for anyone who would like to see the presentation of a biblical example of Jesus retelling the story on the road to Emmaus. Compelling presentation of modernity, post-modernity, and the challenge the church faces in a post-modern world.

http://www.ntwrightpage.com/Wright_Resurrection_Postmodern.htm

Peace
Ron

JEE
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Posted 6/9/2005 9:22 AM (GMT -6)

Thanks, Ron.

May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit.

JohnE

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bryan mccarthy
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Posted 6/10/2005 8:17 AM (GMT -6)

hey, mark.

bryan: hey, mark...i don't think narrative theologians would say the bible is not authoritative; it's a bit more complex than that.

mark: did I say that? or were you replying to summat else?

bryan: no, sorry. i should have been more clear. people who view the bible as not authoritative seems to me to be the focus of the wright article that you linked for us, though i didn't read the entire thing. since you brought that up in this discussion, i assumed you thought that narrative theologians did not view the bible as authoritative. my apologies. why did you link the article?

bryan

bryan

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markporter
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Posted 6/10/2005 7:16 PM (GMT -6)

bryan mccarthy said...
hey, mark.

bryan: hey, mark...i don't think narrative theologians would say the bible is not authoritative; it's a bit more complex than that.

mark: did I say that? or were you replying to summat else?

bryan: no, sorry. i should have been more clear. people who view the bible as not authoritative seems to me to be the focus of the wright article that you linked for us, though i didn't read the entire thing. since you brought that up in this discussion, i assumed you thought that narrative theologians did not view the bible as authoritative. my apologies. why did you link the article?

bryan

bryan

Ah, ok - I linked it mainly for the section entitled "The Authority of a Story" I don't have anything in particular against narrative theologians, not that I've studied them much, I even think they may be onto something quite cool. From my position I'm willing to say that the Bible is authoratative but I'm not entirely sure in what manner - so I'm open to a variety of approaches.

bryan mccarthy
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Posted 6/11/2005 5:38 PM (GMT -6)

mark,

mark: From my position I'm willing to say that the Bible is authoratative but I'm not entirely sure in what manner - so I'm open to a variety of approaches.

bryan: yeah, i read you here. that's my perspective as well. i think where i'm at now is that the bible is correct in what it has to say about reality in general. in other words, i'm not worried about proving all the facts. if one turns out to be wrong, i'd be okay with that and still able to draw from it as my ultimate source for how to continue encountering and relating with God, etc. but i think the narrative theology puts a new spin on HOW that information/revelation is drawn.

bryan

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bryan mccarthy
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Posted 6/11/2005 5:40 PM (GMT -6)

mark,

p.s. i'll take a second look at that authority of a story section again.

bryan

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Posted 6/12/2005 11:38 AM (GMT -6)

JEE said...
Hi Brandon,

I will definitely check out "Tracking the Maze." While I have some serious concerns about "postmodern Christianity" in general, I of course must acknowledge that God tends to usually express himself in narratives as opposed to propositional truth per se.

By the way, do you happen to know anything about the relationship with Pinnock's Grace Unlimited with The Grace of God and the Will of Man that he edited? Is one an expanded version of the other? If you had to choose between them, which one would you get?

Thanks,

John

Sorry John,

I didn't see your question. I forgot about the thread and then when I came to back on board I saw it. Ummm..I don't know about "Grace Unlimited." Form what I understand, it is his earlier stuff and so his views have supposedly changed on the subject. I do have "The Grace of God and the Will of Man" and I would recommend that one for stuff that is more up to date. The book I THINK gets you to think about the issues particular to it as a good intro. However, I would suggest further reading along side this for more on these issues.

Post Edited (BBBCanada) : 6/12/2005 11:41:46 AM (GMT-5)

1Heart
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Posted 6/15/2005 1:55 AM (GMT -6)

Brandon,

I remember this conversation, from way back, and I'm still interested in the subject. Could you humour me with a definition, once again? It's been a while! And thanks for the tip to read Tracking The Maze I loved Pinnock's Flame of Love; it was one of the first books I read in exploring Open Theism.

Thanks!

Jo-Anne

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