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revprodeji
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| Posted 7/9/2005 8:14 AM (GMT -6) |   | | | |
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revprodeji
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| Posted 7/9/2005 9:26 PM (GMT -6) | | Among other reasons, pre-existence of the soul and he made Christ out to be a second, subordinate, God. the second charge may not have been accurate; theology and theological language was still under much development at the time he was alive. It's difficult to say how much of his tainted reputation is his fault and how much is that of his followers.I have read him and though some of his works tend toward what we might call "existentialism", he always submitted to the correction of the Church.in general, it is very difficult if not impossible to seperate 'Origen' from 'Origenism'. Many outlandish and heretical things were said by his students, the question is how many of these things can actually be traced back to Origen himself. He was posthumously branded a heretic, but since excommunication expires at death, no one can be excommunicated posthumously. One thing that needs to be clear is that even if all the worst things that are claimed to have been said by Origen were actually true, he was a speculator, he was more raising possibilities than affirming anything, and he always made clear that he was willing to accept the correction of the Churh. The essence of the heretic is that he refuses the correction of the Church.Origen did die in good standing with the church its too bad his early speculation stained an otherwise great reputation. He was the foremeost Biblical scholar before Augustine and Jerome and those two borrowed heavily from the man they wouldn't have gotten as far as they did without the buidling blocks Origen handed down to them.
It is interesting to note that Origen is still not a saint but lately their has been petitions for the reconsideration of his status but the stain of Origenism is still felt 1800 years later.
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rossfadeinout
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| Posted 7/13/2005 4:57 PM (GMT -6) | | | Hey Violin,
The book that you need here is john Sander's No Other Name. In his section on universalism, Sanders classifies Origen as a universalist. Here some passages from Sander's work.
(From page 99) Origen argued that Christianity contains no dualism, that God is supreme. Hence it cannot be that both God and Satan reign eternally in their respective realms, and so he rejected the notion of an eternal hell, teaching instead that all spiritual beings will finally become obedient in God's Kingdom. He (Origen) explains his ideas most fully in his First Principles...
Origen held that the restoration process may come slowly for some but that God is long-suffering and so will bring it to pass (De Prin, 23.1.13) To accomplish His goal, God will use instruction and punishment after death. Punishment in hell, says Origen, is always for the purpose of redemption (2.5.3). As physicians give remedies to the sick in order that they may recover their health, so God deals with sinners. "The fury of God's vengeance is profitable for the purgation of souls... The punishment... by fire, is understood to be applied with the object of healing" (2.10.6).
Hope this helps,
Ross
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