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JesusFreak
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| Posted 7/3/2001 10:52 AM (GMT -6) |   | Hi my name is Jesus freak. A friend at my school told me about this site. I think you guys are a bit more liberal than I am but that’s cool with me because even though I’m fairly fundamental when it comes to theology I like reading liberal thinkers too.
Hence my question for you guys. Have any of you read any books by Jean-Luc Marion? They make us read him for our contemporary theology class. I didn’t get into it but I did a lot of the reading for it because I want to take it someday. Most of it I disagree with but their were a few parts where I thought hey that was pretty insightful! I’m just wondering how much of him is orthodox and how much of it is not and I thought I would ask for a different perspective than mine on that to help me figure this out. My professors say that he is bad because he is so liberal and I don’t know what to do because I think he might be right about a few things. Thank you very much.
Sincerely, Jesus freak
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Glamdring
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| Posted 7/5/2001 3:52 AM (GMT -6) | | Hi guy,
I haven't read anything by Jean-Luc Marion.
What do you think he is right about?
glamdring
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JesusFreak
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| Posted 7/5/2001 7:50 AM (GMT -6) | | I think he is right about how to think of Jesus as a visible icon of the invisible God.
I'm less sure about this one but I also think he might be right about how we should concentrate on God as love before we concentrate on God's existance or God's being.
What I don't like about him is that he says icons (Jesus) should be venerated but not adored. He says if we adore Jesus we make him into an idol, rather we should try to see past Jesus to the invisible God behind him. I also think he slips into a more or less Greek concept of God at times. And he wants to preserve God’s being as wholly other so that to claim to know him is a lie and to claim to worship him is idolatrous. I think he says that we cannot get to God. We cannot worship him as he really is. We can only worship our idea of God which is not really God. If we worship our idea of God we are worshiping an idol. Our idea of God can have no connection to how God really is.
Mike
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GregBoyd
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| Posted 7/6/2001 9:00 AM (GMT -6) | | The notion that Jesus is God's icon is biblical. Paul calls Jesus the ICON of God in Col 1:15. See also Jn 1:1; Jn 14:9-10; Heb 1:3.
Your theologian sounds Greek orthodox in his emphasis that we can't know God as he is, only as he affects us. I think it too bad that he concludes that we shouldn't worship Jesus. Biblical authors ascribe worship to Jesus (e.g . Mt. 27:9, 17; Heb 1:6).
Blessings
Doc
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Triskal
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| Posted 7/7/2001 11:28 AM (GMT -6) | | This dude sounds really confused. Anyone who says that we can't worship God as he really is has got some issues. How else would we worship God? It sounds as if this guy struggled to get a clear picture of God, and because of those struggles said it couldn't be done. Someone ought to show him that a clear picture of God can be found in the nature of Jesus, shown clearly throughout the entire NT.
In His Grip,
Matt
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