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jedwardskid
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| Posted 7/28/2001 5:35 PM (GMT -6) |   | I’m really interested in God’s wrath right now. On this other theology web discussion group (which will remain nameless) we’ve been having a debate about God’s wrath. But as sometimes happens when I really get into something I tend to make others sick of it. I think everyone on that sight is sick of me and wrath right now so I thought instead of trying their patience I’d throw it out to this audience and see if anyone else is interested in wrath too.
There has been one main question we’ve been debating. Everyone agrees that the Bible attributes wrath to God but is wrath one of his attributes proper? In other words is wrath a part of who God fundamentally is? Should we include wrath among his attributes such as omnipresence, omniscience, love, sovereignty, patience, etc, etc?
Also I’ve been wondering about the relationship of God’s wrath to hell. All of us, I think, instinctively link up those two ideas in our heads but in the Bible we’ve only been able to find one verse which directly connects the two. This has led me to believe that what we think about God’s wrath and what the Bible actually says about it don’t match up. I think wrath has gotten a bad name because of its association with hell and we need to recapture a lost Biblical concept for what it is instead of what we think it should be.
I’m interested in your responses. Is wrath an attribute of God? Can anyone else find more verses that link wrath to hell? What exactly should be the relationship, if any, between wrath and hell? Thanks in advance for your insight.
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trosie
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| Posted 7/30/2001 6:44 PM (GMT -6) | | Mike writes: "In other words is wrath a part of who God fundamentally is? Should we include wrath among his attributes such as omnipresence, omniscience, love, sovereignty, patience, etc, etc?"
The attributes that were mentioned above are consistently found in the character of who God is. God is ALWAYS omnipresent. God is ALWAYS omniscient. God is ALWAYS love. God is ALWAYS sovereign. God is ALWAYS patient... BUT I don't think the statement "God is ALWAYS wrath" would fit.
God picks us up, loves us, and forgives us whenever we ask Him to just as a loving parent does for their child.
God is slow to anger and wrath toward His children! 
trosie
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Triskal
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| Posted 7/30/2001 6:53 PM (GMT -6) | | Wrath seems to always follow up with punishment, and seems to always be started by sin of some sort. When sin was abolished at the cross and the punishment for our sins was taken out on Jesus, there was no longer any need for God's wrath against his people (his people meaning Christians).
In His Grip,
Matt
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PotOnWheel
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| Posted 8/1/2001 8:42 AM (GMT -6) | |
I liked reading what Trosie and Triskal had to say. Along that line I'd like to share what I "think" I read. I'm off vacation after tomorrow, so I might not be able to find it to confirm. But here goes.
Buried in a chapter on some other topic was the explanation that God IS love (his nature/Essence) but God DOES things like "foreknowledge"--that that is an *energy; and that all of that is subject to the level of Person/hypostasis.
Applied: God can act "wrath"--which might be for chastisement and ultimately the salvation of individuals or groups. But that does not at all challenge/contradict that God IS love.
(What does that say for the EDF position??? Does it go away???)
Modes?
PotOnWheel
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