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johnmd
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| Posted 12/6/2003 2:57 PM (GMT -6) |   | Let's talk some JOB
In IS GOD TO BLAME, Dr. Boyd indicates that even though Job said some pretty bad things to God and about God that Job ultimately does not reject God "in his heart" (page 95). I think I am missing something here. It seems to me that what Job said and came to believe is tantamount at least at that point to rejecting God. Maybe I am not reading the text close enough. Could we develop this thought more here?
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Matthew Timothy Short
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| Posted 12/7/2003 2:30 AM (GMT -6) | | From Chapter 38 till this point God ask many questions . . .
Job 42:1-7 And Job answereth Jehovah and saith: -- Thou hast known that [for] all things Thou art able, And not withheld from Thee is [any] device: `Who [is] this, hiding counsel without knowledge?' Therefore, I have declared, and understand not, Too wonderful for me, and I know not. `Hear, I pray thee, and I -- I do speak, I ask thee, and cause thou me to know.' By the hearing of the ear I heard Thee, And now mine eye hath seen Thee. Therefore do I loathe [it], And I have repented on dust and ashes.
And it cometh to pass after Jehovah's speaking these words unto Job, that Jehovah saith unto Eliphaz the Temanite, `Burned hath Mine anger against thee, and against thy two friends, because ye have not spoken concerning Me rightly, like My servant Job.
- Robert Young Literal Translation 1862, 1887, 1898
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GregBoyd
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| Posted 12/7/2003 3:32 PM (GMT -6) | | [quote]Originally posted by johnmd
Let's talk some JOB
Hi Johnmd, good question. I total empathize with your point, for Job says some very very nasty things about the almighty in his speeches. Indeed, he virtually identifies him with Satan. (I just read a book by Bob Feyall -- Now My Eyes Have Seen You -- that argues this point far more extremely, and more powerfully, than I did. He draws a lot on Urgarit and other Mespotamian motifs). Still, as Tim pointed out, God DOES say Job spoke "right" (heb. koon = straighty, honest). Job spoke from HIS GUT, as opposed to his friends Pollyanna theology which came from their own self-serving self-protecting fear. Also, as much as Job railed against God, there were moments when he exhibited a trust that God can REALLY be like he's thinking he is right now (e.g. Job 26).
It shows that what God is looking for in people is honest, true hearts more than proper theology -- though the latter influences the former.
Good question
Greg
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johnmd
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| Posted 12/9/2003 7:24 AM (GMT -6) | | Dr Boyd,
Thanks. I look forward to your next book.
How about some help on the "Free will is a collosal failure thread...
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