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MrIndifference
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| Posted 9/17/2001 8:29 PM (GMT -6) |   | I am rather confused about the following passage. How would you interpret this?
Luke 22:36-38 (NKJV)
36Then He said to them, “But now, he who has a money bag, let him take it, and likewise a knapsack; and he who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one.
37For I say to you that this which is written must still be accomplished in Me: ‘And He was numbered with the transgressors.’ For the things concerning Me have an end.”
38So they said, “Lord, look, here are two swords.”
And He said to them, “It is enough.”
Am I overlooking the obvious or is there a significance behind Jesus telling them to buy swords. I understand that He could be warning them of the upcoming persecution that they will have to face. Is it possible that Jesus was warning them of the dangereous times between when He died and pentecost when the Holy Spirit was loosed upon the earth. In that interum, were they mostly alone? If so that could have been a time of major satanic attack.
My personal understanding of the Trinity is sort of like the three brances of the US Government. The Executive, the Judicial, and the Legislative... They are three separate entities, but they are all the US Government. If one of the brances is taken out of the picture, then the government, in its state of "Checks and Balances" is ineffectual. If you apply this type of thinking to the three persons of God, then what would be the effect when Christ took the sins of the world and for a time was rejected by the Father. Could God function the same way He always had, or would He be, to some point, ineffectual. Could God be broken?
If that is the case, what effect would that have had on the state of the world in that time of separation? Could this partially be behind the warning by Jesus to buy a sword?
Help!!!
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Modes of Thought
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| Posted 9/18/2001 6:51 AM (GMT -6) | | My initial guess would be that vs. 47-54 will be important to the conversation as well...
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Lee Merrill
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| Posted 9/18/2001 2:22 PM (GMT -6) | | It seems that Jesus is talking about other than metal swords here, since (as you noted) he also says:
LK 22:38 The disciples said, "See, Lord, here are two swords." "That is enough," he replied.
So more swords of this type was apparently not what he meant.
And also, as ModeOfThought mentioned, this is borne out further when Peter picks up one of the swords, and Jesus tells him to stop:
LK 22:51 But Jesus answered, "No more of this!" And he touched the man's ear and healed him.
Jesus didn't say "not now!" but "no more," and even healed the man...
In the parallel passage in Matthew, Jesus gave the reason for his forbidding Peter to fight:
MT 26:52 "Put your sword back in its place," Jesus said to him, "for all who draw the sword will die by the sword."
A reason that is not time-based, this is an "always true" reason. So again, it seems we are being instructed not to pick up metal swords.
Perhaps this refers to "the sword of the Spirit" instead?
2TI 4:13 When you come, bring the cloak that I left with Carpus at Troas, and my scrolls, especially the parchments.
Paul would rather have his Scriptures, apparently, than his cloak!
Which may be the meaning here...
God bless you,
Lee
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MrIndifference
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| Posted 9/18/2001 2:40 PM (GMT -6) | | Thanks, I think you are right. I totally over looked that.
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